I have to agree with this. This is why I hate the idea of frame data being an essential learning tool. When I play SSFIV people have asked me what the +frames are on this and that and I just tell them I dont fucking know son.
Strategy, mindgames and character gameplans/goals should be the first thing newbies learn/are taught in my opinion. I’ve been playing fighting games for about 2 years about and I’m still working on this stuff because its the hard part of Street Fighter. I dont hate on people who utilise frame data but the emphasis on it nowadays is too much.
Yeah I can’t understand why knowing frame data on everything became so important. Scrubs use it as a crutch where just by playing matches you ‘know’ when to punish, when to move in, etc.
It’s obvious, sf4 has heavy ass block stun and 3s doesn’t. Knowing which moves give the best amount of +frames on block is unfortunately a major part of sf4. Hence why you see pros utilize frame traps so often.
We could also spark the interest by streaming matches and having good players do commentary and/or analysis to show that the games is much more than just parrying and chun/yun/ken hopefully that could also attract some new players willing to take the gazme to tourney level of play. i wouldn’t mind paying Spooky to stream a 3SOE event at his new spot also
I’m gonna try really hard to hype up 3s on the EC when it hits. It will be a small window of time though because when SFxTekken hits its gonna be the hot new bitch on the block
This doesn’t really bother me, and I doubt it’ll bother the people that really care about 3s because they’re smart enough to know at the end of the day, it’s still online 3s. 3s reigns king in the arcade and it’ll always be that way. You want the true 3s experience? play on a candy cab/h2h.
its not that kind of game. i dont think there will be some ridiculous talent who blows up in a year or so. even in japan there are new 3s players that have been playing a year or two like konitan ryu, atsushi ibuki, akita ken, etc. those in particular are really talented players, but its not like if they had to play a set against kuroda,mov,boss,nuki,rikimaru, ko they will win the most or something. danisen ranks arent everything, but theres a reason why the people on top are above the people below them.
im excited for the new players that genuinely want to learn and know their place (having respect). im not excited for a bunch of scrubs voicing their opinions on subjects they dont even understand yet. not that i look at other forums on here but ive been told that sf4 and marvel forums are filled with 90% if not more shit lol
Has nothing to do with new people playing, it’s more of them starting to play and then going “I really think that Yun’s geneijin should last 3 seconds, I think that would be a very viable change.”
Take MvC3 for example, all the retard babys that have no idea how to theory fight, jumped on every mvc3 forum possible and cried about Sentinel being overpowered. Those same baddies are going to jump on here when 3soe comes out, and complain about something they have no idea how to overcome, so instead of simply figuring it out, they will talk about what they think needs to be “fixed” in 3s. It’s already happening in the 3soe thread.
It still blows my mind how kids complain about Chun/Yun. Even now when 3s is pretty much online only. I’ve been on GGPO 3s for like 3 years, you know how many good Chuns I’ve played? Maybe 2 in the 3 years I’ve been on. (Ryan,5star)
Which I find pretty funny as they’re both offline top 3s players. Both of them hate GGPO and are limited because GGPO feels like complete fucking ass coming from arcade, yet they were easily the best Chuns I’ve seen/played on GGPO.
Chun players have a higher 3s iq then most players, I honestly think its a fact. You cant be bad at spacing, hit confirming, decision making, execution, karas, option selects. If you’re losing to a shitty Chun, you don’t know how to fight her, don’t fucking complain that shes too good, thats fighting games for you, they aren’t balanced.
I’ve been into 3s for a while now and yeah, I’m new but I’m not gonna bitch about Chun and Yun and all that jazz. I started going on GGPO roughly a year ago but I was so scrubby so I just stuck to playing a friend of mine that was also ass at 3s. Eventually I started talking to keninblack on other forums and he started to teach me how to be a lot better in 3s.
Seriously, in the 6 months since he started playing me on SuperCade I’ve been playing a lot smarter and better. I’d probably get bodied by you guys who have been playing the game for much longer since I’m pretty predictable but I’m working on that ;D
Yeah, I’m still fairly fresh to 3s compared to everyone else and I do rock the TE stick but at least I’m not as dumb as a lot of the people commenting about 3s not being rebalanced and shit. I’m learning how I should play against the Chuns, Yuns and Kens so why should they not with a ‘rebalanced’.
Overall, I’m a newer 3s player with 3s being the only fighter that I’ve ever taken seriously. My execution and my play isn’t as good as it should be but I at least know what I’m doing wrong and I just need to hit the lab. So yeah, hoping you guys won’t rip on me for being new to 3s… at least I’m not a SSF4 player or something. ;D
that thread is mostly regulars barring the first few pages because it was originally in fgd. if anything that proves my point. most scrubs that you hate are just looking for the most convenient thread where 3S gets mentioned to start running their mouths about a parry meter or god knows what else. those people bailed when the thread got moved. at least the people who come here understand that this forum is only about 3S. threads that are only found here aren’t convenient for people who normally don’t care about the game.
besides, i think we can all agree that eventhubs and capunity are always going to be shittier no matter how bad srk gets. their comments are a lot worse than srk. when those lunatics start showing up here, get back to me.
While this is true, I haven’t played against a good chun in 4 years myself :lol:, whether or not good players appear GGPO is not a good litmus test to determine a 3S balance or any possible balanced changes (for the record I don’t believe there should be).
Chun and GJ are overpowered it’s not really debatable.
You don’t need to explain yourself man. No rational 3s player is going to hate on someone just because they are new, even if this forum gives off that impression sometimes, which I’m sure it does. There are definitely some morons that post regularly in the 3s forum who are way too negative all the time.
I would definitely debate with someone saying GJ is overpowered :wonder:
well, maybe if you just judge the tool itself you could say its overpowered, but thats not really practical. imo without it yun isn’t very strong, and has pretty bad stamina, which makes it harder to be consistent with him. I think it makes yun the most competitive character against chun but I don’t think yun dominates everyone else in the cast as bad as chun does. most people I know consider yun to be a much more manageable matchup than chun. that and gj is a lot more execution intensive than playing chun in general. its a lot easier to drop a gj than miss low forward super, and chun sa2 does way more damage than your typical yun gj.
Yeah, it’s mostly because there seems to be like a whole set of people here for the 3s section and I’m just the new one in the bunch so it’s kinda weird. ;D