"Maximum Brofist" The Kanji Thread

Ragnorok64 · August 23, 2012, 6:04am

Man I can’t remember what any of his specials are called since they’re all phrases. Aside from “The Man Series: Brofist.”

What is that move called in Japan?

Zeik56 · August 23, 2012, 6:04am

I’d prefer “Dive Grab” if anything. “Take This” isn’t as self-explanatory as the others.

“Gotcha” will forever be the “Thunder Hug” to me.

Sleeper_Reaper · August 23, 2012, 6:20am

Gotcha = Anti Air Grab= 236C/D
Bet Ya Can’t Take This = Air Grab= j. 214A/B
This Will Hurt = Command Grab
Sweep = Dive Kick = 2A+B

That’s mainly how I label them. Hardly use C+D in the air so replace it with “Bet Ya Can’t Take This”

Would be nice to have a discussion on having a universal label on his moves rather than using number notation.

zUkUu · August 23, 2012, 6:27am

Air Grab is way too misleading tho, seeing you can literally “AIR GRAB” (jumping C+D). ^^
I dislike using number notations in conversations as well, so I think it’s important too.

KennedyKills · August 24, 2012, 2:12am

acg or jcg? air command grab or jump command grab? lol

either way thanks for the info in the posts 8bit, ive recently come across a decent naoto online that i added, gonna try a few of those things

i found that pet video after the first time i played him, didnt know you could cancel out those traps with an attack at first

Sleeper_Reaper · August 26, 2012, 12:45am

Never thought I end up in a Kanji lobby full of scrubs. All 3 players just mash B+D throughout the whole match while I just sit there and watch in amazement of how dumb each of the players get caught constantly from that. Had to leave the lobby after getting few laughs out of it.

Red_Rick_Dias · August 26, 2012, 8:40pm

Sleeper Reaper: I hear you, loud and clear. Kanji has two habit-forming moves. One is B+D, as you noticed. It’s an extremely good move, often his only direct solution to certain problems. I am not too surprised we’re seeing players getting addicted to it, though it’s something we should all be on guard against.

The other is his dive tackle, j.214A/B, whatever you care to call it. Probably a good 1/3rd or so of the Kanjis I run into toss this move out way too often, showing the same bad habits early T. Hawk players do; over-use of specials because they seem intuitive and useful. It betrays a certain impatience on their part… and this is a habit that must be broken. Like it or not, Kanji players need patience and a willingness to do a slow, methodical approach. Anything else is all too often met by an anti-air or other punish for your hasty attack.

Edit: On a happier note, I am pleased crowds have begun doing the Colossus Yell whenever Kanji does a B+D.

EC_8Bit · August 26, 2012, 9:36pm

Sleeper Reaper: I hear you, loud and clear. Kanji has two habit-forming moves. One is B+D, as you noticed. It’s an extremely good move, often his only direct solution to certain problems. I am not too surprised we’re seeing players getting addicted to it, though it’s something we should all be on guard against.

The other is his dive tackle, j.214A/B, whatever you care to call it. Probably a good 1/3rd or so of the Kanjis I run into toss this move out way too often, showing the same bad habits early T. Hawk players do; over-use of specials because they seem intuitive and useful. It betrays a certain impatience on their part… and this is a habit that must be broken. Like it or not, Kanji players need patience and a willingness to do a slow, methodical approach. Anything else is all too often met by an anti-air or other punish for your hasty attack.

Edit: On a happier note, I am pleased crowds have begun doing the Colossus Yell whenever Kanji does a B+D.

These are extremely good points. I will say that the more I play, the less I find myself using any of Kanji’s command grabs because good players remain very cognizant of them and are ready to punish on a moment’s notice, which is sad because they are very fun to do. The advantage to this though is that have found myself more reliant on his physical normals and less reliant on anything persona based, so that I still have a fighting chance as Kanji when my Persona gets broken/I get silenced or something stupid.

Hawkingbird · August 27, 2012, 1:19pm

Are their any situations where I can make Kanji’s All Out Attack useful? I want to use it but it doesn’t move him forward like with the other characters and the armor takes a while to kick in.

Siefer · August 28, 2012, 2:14am

Naoto can DP on reaction and counter your lightning. If they are doing this, you have to do feints and/or staggers.

The best tool Kanji has against Naoto is j.B.

You can DP or super if you block the first hit of her double fangs, although I’m not sure if this is universal to all versions or only specifics versions.

This matchup isn’t as annoying as a perfectly played Yukiko, but unlike Yukiko, Naoto can dish the pain under the right circumstances (which happen a lot more than you would think). Not a good matchup for Kanji.

ghosties · August 28, 2012, 4:04am

works best when they’re stuck in lightning, IE: lightning, run up, AoA, etc.

its also good vs people who mash DP on wakeup, but it’s huge risk/huge reward stuff. gotta have a read on your opponent to start throwing out his AoA outside of lightning.

other than that, you won’t be using it that much unless you’re willing to take the risk of just throwing it out there in a block string. plus if you ever actually need to open them up to block high, you could always just command grab them… since theyre blocking all day.

zUkUu · August 28, 2012, 4:21am

I hope in a future patch they’ll remove the ability for the roll to ignore command grabs. shit is annoying.

Zeik56 · August 28, 2012, 5:10am

I’m pretty sure it only ignores command grabs if you’re at point blank range when they do it, which is kind of annoying, but just something you have to keep in mind.

Emil · August 28, 2012, 9:12am

Kanji is a scrub character, that is all.

Zeik56 · August 28, 2012, 9:16am

Impressive Kanji. Take note people.

http://ogarabu.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-106.html

Scrub killer maybe.

Prouddisciple · August 29, 2012, 4:28am

I joined to support the cause! My roommate and I have had the game for a couple weeks now, he’s a Bsomething ranked player and I’m a C-Ranked (super busy with grad school so I haven’t had as much of a chance to play) But I would like to share a few general and matchup specific tips with Kanji, as he is my go-to character.

Mind Games/Punishment/Mix-Ups
This is essential to any good Kanji player’s game. P4A is very much a game of reads and punishes, and Kanji is the embodiment of this. This can be difficult for online/tournament play because you don’t get a lot of matches to download your opponent, but Kanji’s mixups don’t always have to be defensive, and most of the time, knowing how the character works is more than enough. Use the time from any knock down you get to take a couple microseconds and think, “What’s he going to do when he gets up?” Kanji has a counter to almost any situation, provided you read it correctly. If they get up from a knockdown defensively, big mistake, command grab them. If you think they are going to attack and you’re very close, hit your DP to shock them. Try a delayed (D) command throw every once in awhile, as it has armor, and sometimes people will run right into it. Also jumping as they recover from a knockdown and hitting them with air B is pretty solid. One of Kanji’s best aspects is his high damage. Aside from obvious reasons, this is important because it provokes too pretty strong emotions in the opponent: fear and frustration. No one playing Kanji is just going to go in no fear. They are going to do everything cautiously. Take advantage of this by keeping a cool head, even in bad situations (between his massive health and the fact that he becomes even more deadly in awakening mode make this quite easy). People are more likely to make a mistake like this, but even *more *likely to mess up when they are frustrated. Land two command grabs in a row and the match is over, even if your opponent isn’t KO’d. Most people will begin throwing out their burst, attacking wildly, and jamming buttons to try and stick you just to get you away. Remain cognizant of your opponents attitude (even if you can’t see them! It’s easy to guess if you can put yourself in their shoes), and you will have a huge edge with Kanji.

Whiffs and Safe Moves
Kanji’s biggest weakness to me is that he does not have a lot of safe moves. Missing an air pounce is a full combo on you. Missing a command throw is usually a C,D or special move punish. Screwing up an input with your Persona is a free hit on him often. Kanji’s safest moves from my experience are his 5B, air B and his DP most of the time. While all of these are punishable, they are not particularly moves players are eager to get in and whoop you for, as they have a lot of range and set Kanji up to destroy people if they make a mistake. These are your go-to moves for getting in on anyone, but mix it up every once in awhile, not just between the moves, but occasionally feign one and try an unsafe move-for example, if your opponent gets used to your air b over head, they’ll probably bock when you jump at close range. If you’re close enough, simply don’t attack, land, and command throw them. Little things like this will continue to throw them off balance and not know when to risk getting in.

Negative Penalty
As previously stated, most people will play extremely cautiously against Kanji, especially zoning characters, which are normally Kanji’s worst nightmare. The big downside to this is that zoning characters are forced to play extreme keep away against Kanji, which often results in Negative Penalties. Take advantage by approaching ambiguously until this turns on (if you think it will actually happen) then punish with impunity and extra damage once those red bubbles show up.

Ride the Lightning
One of Kanji’s best and most underrated moves is his D persona attack. Obviously it’s good, but it’s range is soooo obnoxious, right? Wrong. Make sure you remember the fact that Kanji’s lightning can hit in 3 PARTS OF THE SCREEN, depending on whether you hit 5, 2, or 8D. The main point of this is that 8D is a full screen strike, which almost always nails pesky zoning spammers. It’s also quite fast from full screen, and can strike 3 or 4 times depending on how you space it out, and leaves your opponents helplessly paralyzed. Work on integrating this as much as possible into your plan of attack whenever you find yourself at a distance. Don’t just rush in like an idiot; remember you have lightning to use!

Air Pounce Notes
**- **Cruel Attack can be cancelled into AP (Air Pounce AKA Bet Ya Cant Take This). Use this for sudden short range pounces

Air Pounce can be Tiger Knee’d (Roll 2148B instead of 214B for a pounce that starts a little off the ground). I haven’t found a use for this yet, but I’m sure someone can think of something.
-AP can be cancelled into off an air B hit. This counts on block AND when you hit a persona. If someone is air-Persona happy, jump up, smack it with the chair, then pounce them. The AP follow up will hit most of the time, but in rare recovery or blocking situations, you won’t hit it and will be open for a combo. Use it mostly as a hit confirm.
-The 214A AP is most useless. Stick to 214B or 214Skill which is TRACKING.

DP!
Use this A LOT when your opponent is close to you. It’s completely armored (will outlast grabs even) has a super long active hitbox, and causes them to be paralyzed and land very close to you. Another interesting aspect of it is that you can mash B+D while your blocking a combo, and sometimes it will activate randomly in the middle of their combo and stun them. Most of the time it will go live after the end of the combo (and if you’re opponents smart theyll jump back at the end of their combo and punish you), but if any moves in your opponent’s string has even a moments hesitation (Chie, Liz, some others I can’t think of off the top of my head), they’ll get a face full of voltage.

General Fight Notes
-Kanji’s EX Gotcha sits around and waits for your opponent to jump before going in. Use this on air-heavy opponents (Yosuke) to keep them grounded.
-Kanji’s 5C, DP and occasionally 5B are all anti-airs.
-I’m not very good at using Kanji’s 2C, but I know it’s an awesome set up to his monster combos.
-Kanji’s air C is faster than Air B if you have an opponent jumping with you and pressuring you.
-Kanji’s corner game is disgusting and will often result in death against most characters who can’t read your mixups.
-Kanji’s most are most vulnerable to defensive jumping. Try to train your opponent to think this is a legit escape plan then start air grabbing them.

Last But Not Least, The Super Salty N00B Killing Move
We all wanna bro down and hit that instant kill, right? Here’s the most effective way I’ve been able to use it. Most people who aren’t familiar with it will just get slammed. When you’re on winning round, fight normally till you get them in a corner. Smart players will have learned to jump on wake up to get away from you, but that won’t save them from a gold burst. Nail em on wake-up to fill your gauge then hit the input as fast as you can. Kanji is armor and as far as I know unblockable during this approach, and since it’s take awhile to get up, chances are your opponent will still be recovering during the move’s start up. From what I know right now, ONLY A WAKE UP JUMP will save your opponent from getting the BroFist. Use this to cheaply seal matches if you so desire. It’s also rude as hell and leaves many people quite salty.

That does it for general notes. I’ll do another post to explain some specific matchup observations.

Good info, Kanji all day!!!

ProudDisciple on XBL and PSN

Ragnorok64 · August 29, 2012, 5:00pm

Man I have no idea what to do against Yosuke. I can’t seem to hit him with anything or block him for the life of me. He can easily bait BD and I get counter hit out of any move I try to use offensively. When he finishes a combo with me way in the air and he’s still running around on the ground am I supposed to late tech in order to avoid getting hit again?

Louiscipher · August 31, 2012, 7:42pm

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Ragnorok64 · September 1, 2012, 4:52am

I’m watching the Wednesday Night Fights archive while in training mode and I’ve realized that I’m having trouble doing things at different speeds with both hands. Namely, I’m seeing people call down lightning and time it so the opponent stays locked down while they run up. Unfortunately when I try that i double tap D as I’m double tapping forward to run and mess up my timing. Anyone has any tips or do I just need to untrain and retrain my muscle memory for that?

Emil · September 1, 2012, 4:58am

I hope in a future patch they nerf Kanji’s grab damage by 50%.