And some people say we shouldn’t have an overhead divekick? It’s not armor break and it’s not even safe like the hammer fist.
I hear you loud and clear, I just be that he is going to palm so I can crouch tech, or I just say fuck it and take the throw. OR just try to see how he timed the flip. If you wear Goukens Alt. outift with the hat on, you can tell the timing by the beads on Goukens neck.
If he jumps before the beads finish it’s falling animation then it’s early, if the beads are just finishing and he jumps it’s on point, and anything after that is late.
Can’t even argue with you about that one bud, his Vortex is probably the best mix up on the game… I’ll go on record and say that it is the best mix up on the game. And if he has U2, don’t even bother trying to whiff confirm or OS punish his teleport, and don’t forget he can also AA Demon you with cr. mk and cancel it into U1, you’ll whiff b/c of the invincibility frames of U1 and jump right into it.
It’s funny how 1 simple buff can totally change the dynamics of this match up.
It’s not that he shouldn’t have it, it’s that there are way more important things he NEEDS. Can we keep this about Akuma? If hammerfist wasn’t overhead I still don’t see this being any easier.
I guess a tad easier, b/c if you blocked low you wouldn’t eat a knock down. You could block instead, so he’d had to rely more on normal jump ins or DF Grab to inflict damage, much like the Gouken nerf. It would probably be a little more difficult for him to DF Grab you since you wouldn’t have stand, so you could get a better read on his DF Timings if he wanted to mix it in.
ok for the gouken players. first thing you’re going to want to do if your opponent is Akuma is Pick Gouken, then hit the back button and pick YUN or KEN. Then go nuts and hit everysingle button on your stick/pad. jk
Ha Ha! Not all Akuma’s can beat Gouken like that. They have to be skilled, he’s only 3 mistakes away from being ko’d.
Goukens air parry is good to use in this match up too. You can do one to land right outside of his range to bait air fireball and put his ass in a coma.
Gouken has set ups to boss on Akuma’s wake up too. The only difference in the match up is, you have no solid way to get him off of you and he has srk.
A lot of people on the boards criticize Takin Flight for jumping around a lot, but the only thing he is doing is making himself a moving target and air borne so if you hit him it reset’s Gouken, rather than eating a combo or getting knocked down. And the mix up is played from there…
I feel like in this match up, you can’t be afraid to Rush in on Akuma, GF Parry is very good in this match up.
i love this matchup its actually one of my top 5 faves…it brings out the best in gouken i think and it can be hard as hell.
GF parry is actually for most shotos the funnest thing to play with.
I love fighting Akuma too. It feel like a challenge. As if Gouken isn’t already a challenge to use.
Typically I’m always behind in life the whole time until I catches a break with backthrow / Ultra through fireball / Max punish etc when I am fighting anyone 3000pp +, and realistically, lose more then win =/
Like wise, I feel like I’m on top of the world and then Gouken is on his ass. And then I start praying. I’m definitely back dashing the first knock down and EX Flipping the second or vice versa, even though he might punish me I have to know what he’s OS ing with or even if he’s OSing me at all. Doing that and just lame-ing it out and just eating throw or overhead chop has saved my ass many of days. Since it’s no answer I just try to be as random as possible mixed with a couple of educated guesses until I see a fuck up.
Then it’s PARTY TIME!!
Learn the vortex… I had success using his st rh which is an axe kick that comes out really fast if akuma DF’s too late… but the main goal in this match up is to either keep Akuma away or rush him down and don’t let him rush you down… and ex tat any DF outside of vortex to keep him out…
Me vs one of my fave Akumas!
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Ok, great match takin! I have a question…how in the hell, at 1:07, did you get the EX flip to launch with the direction going east while Akuma was behind you…I understand it autotracked backwards which was cool to see but still. Your inputs are d,df,f,fu,u>mkhk,b>lkmkhk…WTF?! This should have given you EX tatsu no? Admit it, this was an unintended treat.
Also, I like your use of lp air to air. I neglect this opting for mp all the time.
It’s an auto correct ex demonflip
Yeah, but his inputs…his inputs man!
He was mashing, the input is there.
Hey dudes I’m sort of new here just wanted to ask if you guys got any pointers for me; this matchup is a damn nightmare . the moment I’m the floor it’s game over; that stupid hammer fist gets me 90% of the time i know you can backdash and do light tatsu if u’r at a certain angle when he’s doing it and if you do standing rh in the corner to counter it. Here is a vid uploaded by the dude that DESTROYED me (and when i say destroyed i mean smashing my head against granite destroyed lol ).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgjZlKIPSdA.
I managed to beat him once or twice if you guys want I can upload the vids where i did it but i think i got real lucky then.
Yeah, that’s about how my akuma matches go when faced with a decent one. All of his jump ins are made to destroy Gouken. EX flip puts you in a bad position, EX tatsu is nearly useless, kongo only works when he’s not using hammerfist but what good Akuma doesn’t, backdash gets you swept. This is a match up of blocking and looking for the openings.
I did notice that he was a bit predictable with his tick throws. Whenever you blocked his cr.lk starter, he automatically went to throw and it seemed he would do one jab and then throw. Check the vid again. You took a lot of damage from this. Also, you caught him a few times with dj.mp. Practice the tatsu motion or combo the jump back hk for extra damage. Every little hit point matters.
Did you try c.lk on your wakeup buffered into Hk tatsu?
I don’t see how that would help most of the time i try using c.lk he ends up on the other side of the screen and I get thrown.