im not saying that Vega gets punished, what i said is that its pointless because he can teleport therfore not worth it. because it can reset the distance for dhalsim and give him breathing space. and i dont like losing ground on dhalsim. about the ultra i know it goes through it because the roll goes right through dhalsim on his invincibility frames on wake up. a meaty is when you hit a character with the last possible frame right. threfore if you use it as a meaty you wont get hit because your essentially where dhalsim is and his ultra’s controlls the space in front of him not behind. i know that. Its not that i questioning your know-how, im questioning the use of RCF as a meaty on dhalsim’s wake up. because of the potential to lose control of space during the match.
I used RCF as a meaty plenty of times against Sabin when he came to Cali. He didn’t counter it once. NOT because he didn’t know to teleport, but because it’s not exactly easy to react to in the heat of the game; especially if you’re mixing it up (which I was). Sabin is the best Sim in the U.S., hands down. So, trust me, RCF isn’t exactly a worthless move on Sim’s wake up.
i know its not entirely useless. i sometimes use it, but only when there isnt an ultra, unless im feeling balsy. i tend to use other attacks that seem less risky, but somewhat punishable.
So i took a look in that SoCal thread and realized that i’ve fought Valle before. I thought CaliPower might be someone i recognized, but he was using Ryu, so that threw me off.
I don’t think i took a round off him lol. It was quite the smashing if i remember correctly
:rolleyes:
The Sim part in my post which you quoted was actually a semi-question sans the question mark. Keep the shit starting out of the Vega board please.
lol so angry. i needa head back to AI soon. I’ll probably hit it up more after the 3on3 in azusa. I’m ordering a stick. upgrading…bebop,another vega shall arrive LOL. i met u at the Ranbat. i doubt u remember but u were coo people.
edit: nvm
I’d disagree with this. I think using one EX bar to make an opponent whiff an Ultra is a great use of meter. Especially Dhalsim, who has no big combos without either Ultra or Super.
Even if the RCF doesn’t hit them on meaty, if you’re safe after doing it, it’s worth it. It will still give you meter. There’s a reason good Balrog’s will TAP and upper whenever he knocks you down. Every bit of meter inches you closer to victory.
I said it before, and I’ll say it again. Based on my experience, RCF is good against Dhalsim, GODLIKE against Vega, and seems pretty good against Fuerte.
What do you guys think about it vs Fuerte? Will EX run into some attack beat it? Or will EX knee recover in time to beat it? I might test this later since i can finally play again. =D
gonna have to agree with bebop on this one. rcf against sim works everytime i use it. he is probly the one cahracter i use it the most on. i play sabin online ALOT and i do it against him all the time. if you dont make it obvious that your going to do the rcf it would work better as well. just thought i would add that last part in
its true. its damn true
rcf is also good againts fireball spammers if you use the ex version. and is beautiful against ryus ultra.
Just think how badass RCF will be if they speed it up in the next version.
there would be a trade off. If it started fast and was still almost totally safe on block, it’d be retarded. As it is, it is a very good move to keep up the pressure against characters without a srk… as Abel I need gauge to do anything about it.
it wouldn’t be that strong even if it had a faster start up
i mean look at gens
same deal, mediocre move
I think only 2 of gens normals can combo into his roll tho(and theyre not very rewarding compared to some of gens other ground combo options). vega has a lot more, lp, mp, hp, and lk. Imagine if it had the same startup as the lp rcf? You could actually combo into it from something besides a j.hp > st. HP xx HP rcf
If it got faster, it could combo off of even more moves… his damage output would go up, sure, but then he’d have a ridiculous pressure game. He could push people into the corner no problem, then lock them down completely with his pokes, jump up roundhouse, air throw…
Gen’s roll start up is better and all that but you have to think of it in the context of Vega’s normals. It would be just a little too good if it was that fast, and still so safe on block
Yeah, cuz wouldnt it suck if they gave only some characters invincibility frames, combos into their ultras/supers, overheads, and a move that can be abused due to its priority, speed, or power? oh wait, they already did do that… to everyone BUT vega.
alright just wanted to say that, i wont talk about it anymore cuz its the video thread, sorry.
EDIT: i didnt want to reply in a new post sakeido.
-so u havnt been stuffed at every jump attempt by a Sims standing hk?
-u havnt been knocked out of mid screen attacks from a shoryuken (no matter what frame of the shoryuken is out)?
-u havnt seen one of the the tourney matches where the Sagat player spams tiger uppercuts while the announcer is telling him that wont work? I forget the name and info of it, but it did work.
-u havnt been locked down by Sagats TK corner lock?
-pretty much everyone(except for maybe 5 ppl) has some type of dragon punch with good dmg, invincibility, and speed. And dp’s r some of the few moves that can be mashed during a combo to get a counter hit if the other person miss times their next hit(or at the end of vega’s rcf).
-Sonic boom is pretty much almost not punishable
-bison’s lk scissor kick is pretty safe and is easy to combo with
-ryu’s crouching MK has good range speed and priority, and it leads into combos
There r plenty of things a lot of characters were given that vega just doesnt have for some reason. And its not like making his HP rcf would be broken, it would just mean he could maybe do 50 more dmg at the end of SOME combos.
I can’t think of any easily abusable move in the game aside from lariat and SPD…
If he could combo the last hit into another cr.mp hit, it would be awesome. Being able to cancel that cr.mp into EX Walldive would be too much though IMO