You’re both correct.
Only after it showed him startin’ to pull it back down…
[details=Spoiler]Again, that’s an action I could see Hulk doing. It’s an action I could see Iron Man struggle with but succeed, but not Cap. Not with hands alone. Maybe if he nailed it with a tether and fed it through the bar he was holding on for added leverage, but not like that…
I mean, perhaps, MAYBE if he was showing to instead grabbed by the armpits or something, I could see him struggling to keep it from flying away. But the dude had it gripped by his hands on both ends. And that isn’t even taking into account the fact that he was able to yank it down and have it drag him slowly off to even get to that point. Ain’t no way the dude’s gonna be able to stop it at all with feet alone, that’s for damn sure. All Bucky would’ve needed to do was pull up a little bit and he’d be hangin’ again. Bullshit was called before you got to the “Eat my heart out, Thor” moment.[/details]
(Why did I have this thread marked as 4.1k new posts? I don’t even remember ever clicking on it before…)
I actually somewhat agree with Cyntalan on this issue in that it’s one of the few parts where my suspension of disbelief started to fray, arguably the part that stands out the most in that regard since I was very tempted to roll my eyes when it started to occur even already knowing that Captain America, especially MCU Captain America, is actually quite strong. Clear evidence of this is how people go flying when he dropkicks the shit out of them in the MCU.
That said…
[details=Spoiler]He was clearly straining extremely hard to stop the helicopter at all and The Winter Soldier probably have gotten away if he hadn’t decided to try to essentially attempt to decapitate or at least seriously injure Captain America by attempting to slam the helicopter into him instead of persisting in getting away. It honestly sounded like the railing he was holding onto was going about to give way, and then Steve wouldn’t have been able to do shit.
Regardless, as weird as it was to see that all of a sudden, that’s hardly Hulk level strength or even movie Thor level strength. Both of them would have stopped it without straining at all. Hell, the helicopter might gotten away since they might actually pulled it apart.
Even without either of them in the movie, both Steve and Bucky are actually pretty mid-tier as far as strength goes. They’re obviously stronger than the otherwise physically human Avengers like Natasha, Clint, Sam (though he’s weirdly stronger than he should be), Wanda, and even T’Challa. However, Peter completely no sold Bucky’s punch while fan-boying over everything and casually asking him a question–gods, I’m still so glad they finally remembered how absurdly strong Spider-Man actually is–and Giant-Sized Man-Thing Ant-Man and both Iron Man and War Machine and probably Vision are technically stronger than them.
So, yeah, while I understand it breaking your suspension a bit, it’s hardly anywhere near a Hulk level feat of strength or even a feat of strength that any of the stronger characters in the movie couldn’t have easily managed.[/details]
As for the rest of the movie, it was overall excellent, but I’ll refrain from being overly wordy about it until at least this weekend when I see it again, if not a week after than when I may see it again for a third time. So good.
This may have been answered before but what does Sony exactly own now with Spiderman? After watching this movie a second time, I just hope Sony fucks off.
Also, is the Marvel Comics (just the comics) itself own by disney as well, if that is so then they sort of own the shit Fox holds… just in terms of the comics only, right?
It’s a comic book movie.
Disney/marvel do make money off the fox movies
What they give up is creative rights
(Expect Fox to be reasonable? [Insert Charlton Heston .gif that Starhammer is fond of using nowadays here.])
I still want to know what’s happening with the Fantastic Four rights if we’re talking about this, especially given how hard Fan4stic bombed. I might literally murder people just to get a competent version of Dr. Doom–and Doom alone–to show up in the MCU, especially given the MCU currently has issues with competent repeat villains, which is part of the reason that…
Spoiler
I’m glad that T’Challa kept Zemo alive even though I too expect that to bite them all in the ass otherwise, especially since it made sense for T’Challa to save him on a personal level even though Zemo was clearly no saint even before he lost his family.
Having a finally competent Fantastic Four movie in the MCU also wouldn’t hurt, but it would be just be icing on the cake to let the MCU have access to Doom.
So basically, Sony just gets money with out doing shit with him? I don’t get why Fox would have a problem with that if that is the case.
There are rumors about the latest X-men movie being a mixed reaction, 2 of my friends saw it just gave it 7/10 and they felt they were being generous.
You’re gonna be waiting a long ass time before Fox pulls their head out of their asses*(or hope for an e-mail leak like what fucked Sony)*…
There’s a reason why the comics have basically disavowed all knowledge of mutants and the Fantastic Four save Doom.
Civil War was one of the best action movies I’ve seen in years. They don’t allow more than like five minutes to go by without some rad shit happening on screen.
(Yeah, the Fox thing is pretty maddening, but I don’t expect any less than from them unfortunately.)
Also, yeah, when I saw that this movie was 146 minutes–that is 2 hours and 26 minutes for people who suck at math–while trying to plan for getting people together to see it this coming weekend, I was rather surprised. I think it might be the MCU’s longest movie yet actually, but I say this as someone who still hasn’t seen either of the Avengers movie among others.
Not transcribed here is how Wil fatally garroted his friend in front of a full map of the world so that the last thing he saw before his neck snapped was actually accurate geography.
That 2 and a half hours flew by… and left me wanting more… Meanwhile that other movie couldn’t end fast enough.
This might sound weird, but it reminded me of Terminator 2 with its pacing. Plenty of interesting story and character moments to be had but also just packed to the brim with awesome shit happening all the time.
The only real complaint I could see people having is that Cap gets overshadowed at times. This really could have just been an Avengers movie.
(For the record, the long view time also went by quite quickly for me. I just have to take said long view time into account because of one of the people I’m seeing it with this weekend has to be somewhere at a certain time, having to leave an hour beforehand to do so, and the showtimes for movies are essentially at least ten minutes before they actually start due to previews.)
As for whether this could be an Avengers movie, well, it’s difficult for me to stay given that I’ve not seen either of them, but I could see it going either way honestly. The reason that this still works as a Captain America movie is because it’s really Steve’s relationship with Bucky–[insert slash fan-fiction here]–that’s essentially the breaking point for almost everything that goes down, save for the main antagonist’s actions essentially being directly tied to the end of Avengers: Age of Ultron apparently. As such, it makes sense that the movie focuses on Captain America, even if he’s occasionally overshadowed by awesomeness (read: an actually competently done version of Spider-Man) and they presumably don’t want a particularly character-centric Avengers film if they can avoid it.
I’d also imagine that they went to try to keep Avengers threats strictly to potentially world-ending ones and the world as a whole wasn’t threatened in this movie at all. I mean, there was that little bit of misdirection with the other five “sleepers”, but beyond that, the world was actually way more threatened in Captain America: The Winter Soldier due to the whole “Hydra Helicarriers” scenario. Similarly, that’s probably why I personally find one of the relatively few complaints about that movie by most people more valid, in the sense that I remember quite a few people saying they found it weird that outside of Natasha none of the other Avengers who could or “should” have shown up to help (barring Thor) actually did so…even though it was a Captain America movie. Ironically, that makes said complaint almost the except opposite type of complaint (or, if using the word “complaint” has too many negative connotations, “commentary”) than the “why wasn’t this an Avengers movie” one.
Civil War delivered the hype for me. I felt like Black Panther absolutely stole every scene he was in, I was so impressed by the actor’s portrayal of the character. I liked most of the changes they made from the Civil War comics, it made Tony seem like less of a dick.
Yep, Paramount had the same deal with Thor and Iron Man.
Their logo appears at the start and they get a shed load of profits for no work. They also made a fortune from the first Avengers as they still owned the rights then.
When it comes to the Hulk Universal held on to the distribution rights. We’ll never get another solo Hulk movie while they still have it.
They have namor
We need the rock as namor
Like 2003 erA shitheAd hollywood rock as ambivalent namor
Or some other samoan
I am ok with Namor not getting the film treatment since he was always an even lamer version of Aquaman.
Rock is too big to be Namor.