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Cap had the hammer beside him on the machine he used to time travel. He didn’t take his shield.
Yes
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It’s on the platform with him right before he does the jump
The final scene . . . .
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Really creates a number of paradoxes just because of Cap’s existence. The movie took time to explain it and threw away that rule in and of itself. Cap showing up brings about a series of questions:
If anything you do does not change the future (based on Prof. Hulk’s explanation), then how does he appear?
The stones are all returned to their places but Loki makes off with one. Based on Cap’s appearance, does this mean that Loki is moving about? Does Thanos ultimately get the space stone anyway?
If he returned the soul stone to when it was taken, is Black Widow alive since it’s a “soul for a soul”?
The biggest paradox Cap’s appearance caused by returning the stones, Thanos never returns to 2014. He was killed in this time and never and is no longer the threat, meaning there is no snap and effectively renders no need for them to do the heist in the first place.
I get its a movie, but I felt that one little thing created a ton of questions.
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Well…
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Didn’t the Ancient One say that the alternative time lines would disappear if the stones were returned the moment they were taken?
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Wonder if I should go back end edit out all the summaries once the embargo on spoilers is done.
Would take a min, but possible.
Exactly
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Steve essentially created a “alternate” 2019. If everything was consolidated all into one, that means Thanos never became a problem because his plan never set in motion nine years earlier. He was dead.
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According to the ancient one, returning the stones to their proper place in time will course correct the alternate timelines. I assume that Cap travel back to be with Preggy after returning the stones and that’s why he appears as an old man in the main timeline.
Presumably Cap probably stops Loki from taking the space stone when travels back since he has to go in that same place in time to return the mind and time stones. If not then Loki’s Disney+ series can address it.
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Don’t do that to himself. Unmarking spoilers isn’t worth that hassle.
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I’m with you, but . . . …
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Still doesn’t answer how you have to fight a threat that doesn’t exist. Thanos essentially was plucked out of 2014 and never came back. He never found all of the stones in 2019 and thus never did the snap. By the rules of the movie, Cap being in 2023 means that you could change the past and work through to the future. If so, Thanos disappearance would have completely upended Infinity War.
It’s just a moment where you have to smash the “I Believe” button.
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If you Google Thanos and click on the gauntlet it will snap half of the search results.
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Alternate timeline is generated
Nope, No refunds
Paradoxes can’t happen with the MCU’s interpretation of time travel, you just spawn alternate timelines/universes
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Paradox did happen. Returning the stones course corrects the timelines that means there’s a version of Cap that’s still a ice cube in the ocean while his future self is banging Preggy.
Understood . … .
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However, the alternate timeline created shouldn’t “merge” with the current one that played out on screen. I don’t think they thought too hard about it, it served the narrative better to show Cap being there than work itself into the film’s own logic. More than likely the approach by the team was people want to see Cap so the audience will have to hit the “I believe” button and all is well. Like I said, placing Cap in that scene means that you could go to the past and create that alternate version of time. That also would mean that in 2014 Thanos went to fight off the Avengers in 2023, died and never returned. So what moment took place in 2019 that required them to gather all of the stones, create time travel 2023, retrieve all stones, and send them back if the guy that caused it all was already dead?
My thoughts exactly until
Totally agree and that’s something that can easily be avoided as it’s not a leap to make that work. Thanos being “dead” for 5 years prior to the events of Infinity War just raises the question.
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Random thought… Isn’t Thanos supposed to be immortal?
No
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He is inevitable
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The Multiple timelines caused by time travel and “What if” scenarios are the most Marvel thing the MCU ever done. Fans of the comics know that there dozens of timelines
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Thanos is also supposed to be Human as well, Well he is a Eternal with the Deviant Gene.
One of 3 Human species off shoots created by the Celestials, the 3 are Eternals, Deviants, and Mutants
Also with the exception of certain Cosmic level entities like Eternity, Infinity, Death, The Living Tribunal and others, even Immortals can be killed by the Infinity Stones.
I don’t think that the way it is done in the comics has anything to do with this scenario in particular. Frankly it opened a moment where it served the narrative better overall by inciting some feels.
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Until they go deeper into Thanos’s origin, which I figure they might do in phase 4 he’s just a dude from Titan. Clearly his people aren’t immortal since they were wiped out.
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He was an abboration amongst his people. They don’t look like him
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Antman never went up Thanos
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Did they ever even mention that? Or show another Titan in the MCU? I don’t think they ever did. I know in the comics he was outcasted but they’ve never touched on Thanos’s back story in the MCU except he’s a dude that likes balance and sees himself as a savior.