That’s not the point, the race is unimportant, trashing two legacy’s for shock value or PC headlines and treating your readers like idiots is the problem here.
Yeah about Thorella, i’m pretty sure the only actual reaction will be apathy and poor sales.
I wonder if racist police will start arresting Cap cosplayers.
Falcon Cap is a good Cap.
Why can’t we have a male Wonder Woman?
A man born raised by man hating amazons would actually be more interesting then Thor with tits or black cap.
funny thing is cause of the whole donald glover fiasco is the reason why miles morales was created. he was a direct result of that.
and i kinda agree…i can see why you’d thing peter should be white…but at the same time nothing about his story says he has to be white. he really isnt race defined.
Question
Has a villain ever change ethnicity or gender Besides Kingpin in the Affleck Dardevil move? Seems to only happen to heroes. I’d love to see Dr. Doom or Lex Luthor as a black man.
Ganondorf.
that’s a slippery slope, tho
in one hand, you have every right to make any character any race or religion or creed.
On the other hand, you deserve any amount of hate you receive over that decision. If you want to make Robin Hood black, go nuts. Just back it up with a good story, and good characters, or risk being flamed to hell and back.
Same goes with any white character, or even black characters, or any other races. If you want to make Mexican Batman, go nuts. Asian Dracula? Go right ahead. Indian John Lennon? Sure why not.
But I don’t have to agree with it, like it, or even treat it with the least amount of respect.
Why you no post picture of female Thor before you make problem of no problem you no like make
there is a black robin in the future. but i dont think it really made a blip on the nerd radar.
I know you’re joking, but i’m so tired of seeing people seriously spout this shit as if they need some kind of “revenge”
I’d be fine with white Black Panther is there was an reasonable story and reason for him to be that way.
Captain America’s long time sidekick taking the mantle after his partner loses his powers makes sense, it isn’t far fetched or ridiculous and it’s been done before.
A white guy somehow tapping into mystical cat god powers and gear of an extremely isolationist hi-tech African country, earning a mantle that has been passed down and needs to be earned, is almost impossible be to written and make sense.
White Power Man? You could do that, the dude is just a guy who got injected with some super serum that made him nigh-invincible and super strong, not really hard to write another guy going through the same shit and taking over while Luke is out or whatever.
Nigga that happened in 2008
Ultimate Black Panther in Ultimates 3 was really Ultimate Cap in disguise. Fuck Jeph Loeb.
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Eh, they are both sort of dumb and obviously temporary moves, the issue with a black Captain America at least has some story relevance given what recently happened to Steve Rogers in the current comics, the idea of a female Thor who the writer of the book was quoted as saying “This is Thor, not Thorita or She-Thor but Thor” however with the former male Thor still running around in other Marvel books with just a different weapon is dumber then what is going on with Cap.
They can ret-con Steve and make him black, as long as he’s Steve Rogers.
But a sub is fine. Especially when it’s like Azrael. Temporary and interesting. And followed by a cool showdown. Or like Iron Man. That works even better, doesn’t it?
Oh yeah, fuck female Thor. And Hillary.
Guys, not only the Punisher has been a black guy before, but also an angel armed with guns made of light and a Frankentein’s monster. So changing his race is actually the least interesting thing you could do to him. :lol:
I was thinking more along the lines of a White version of White Hatin Coon.
Did someone seriously suggest that it would be cool to make a White Power Man?
Not Man Hating, moreso Man deprived.
(Rock, I’m pretty sure angelpalm’s comment was about the unintentional “White Power” in “White Power Man” and not the “Power Man” in. When I read Pterodyactl’s post, my mind first went to a superpowered Klansman too just because “White” was capitalized even though I knew what he was getting at.
That said, an actual superpowered Klansman would be kinda redundant with all the Nazi supervillains and faux-racist [or even outright racist], anti-mutant supervillains running around in Marvel already.)
Meh. I’m kinda luke(cage)warm to this too like the female Thor thing, but this makes (way) more sense than female Thor (currently) makes really. As a bunch of people have already said, The Falcon’s long been established as Cap’s sidekick until they brought Bucky back as the Winter Soldier and then, briefly, as Captain America. So this is really just the logical conclusion of that with Bucky (temporarily) gone again. The only other (black) male choice would be Patriot and even though Patriot exists, he’s still too young, especially when no one really ages in comic book land unless somehow horrible shit happens to them (that doesn’t permanently kill them); his grandfather, Isaiah, is too old.
I guess you could make the case for Nick Fury Jr. being a viable candidate for the new Captain America, but he’s just been introduced into the main universe relatively recently, so that would be a bit much. Maybe Marvel actually learned not shill new S.H.I.E.L.D. people too hard after we got stuck with the thunderkunt version of Maria Hill in the forefront for so long.
That said, does Marvel and, subsequently, its fans need to make such a big deal about a black Captain America? No.
Are they going to the sake of trying to transparently boost sales with “shock value” and mostly racist ire? Unfortunately, yes.
Granted, I see this as Marvel also smartly trying to take advantage of the fact that movie Sam Wilson from the recent Captain America: Winter Soldier is probably like…literally at least thousand times more popular than comic book version. “Shock value” is still a unfortunate part of it though; otherwise they wouldn’t be emphasis he’s black since we can fucking see that. It’s not like he’s (poor) Mettle from Avengers Academy who you had to be told was black (and Jewish) because he unfortunately looked like Red Skull Jr.
The main reason, besides not reading Marvel anymore, that I couldn’t really much less is because I think they could have been genuinely “ballsy” if they wanted to go the “shock value” route while still (unfortunately) emphasizing race yet being logical and just made Photon into the new Captain America. I mean, part of the running joke of the unexpectedly popular Nextwave was her constantly saying how she led the Avengers (for six issues). So why not try to run that in a (slightly) more serious capacity even if it means passing over Sam…again?
Well, other than giving half of the already flagging fanbase a literal heart attack by Captain America not only becoming black (gasp!) but also a woman (no!).
I’m not sure what’s most ironic about this image: That Loki doesn’t want to wear something that’s basically like he wore as female Loki anyway, that Thor is currently being replaced (temporarily) by a woman or that Tony somehow still thinks he’s the manliest despite having the skimpiest outfit.
My favorite superhero is superman i dont give a shit that he’s not black or biracial i relate to how he is written and i’m sure your favorite super hero (if your not white) is a white male of some sort as well the comic fandom is diverse and has never cared and IMO to say you black people are really gonna like our black captain america is racist thinking.
The whole problem with both situations, is its demographical pandering, and instead of promoting the black and female characters they already have, or doing the actual creative thing and making new characters creativity out of the big 2 gasp, they are electing to just hijack existing popular IP’s. Which isnt going to work to their favor. it alienates the existing fans, and to the new fans who are only reading because of the race/sex change they are just gonna be dissapointed when everything goes back to the way it originally was and the arc ends. End of the day your having a whole lot of people go sideways from your brand over what might be a marginal short lived sales spike.
In my eyes its demeaning to blacks and women to say “there’s no possible way you could ever have a super hero persona that’s as cool or as popular as whitey’s best you could hope for is to be whitey for a while”
