Makoto Video Thread/Match Critiques

No hilarity here, this section name is Videos critiques, so a discussing about a Makoto on video is pretty legit. He’s practically the lone one out there right now, since most players from the same level field (Japan) left the character.

Daigo is terrified of Makoto, not Misse. He was ALWAYS worried about Makoto since her is one of a kind character with a full bag of tricks with a damage/stun output even scarier than E.Ryu especially against low health characters. When Makoto was announced to be improved she’s one of Daigo probable pick. Then Capcom gives him AE Yun. In general he didn’t play that good against Makoto, since Misse is the best right now the result is pretty obvious.

Criticized Misse use of EX Fuki tools was an hyperbole, every Makoto player keep using post-hayate mixups at their pleasure and never stop, but obviously isn’t abusable and now isn’t her best mixup tool. What I criticize about Misse Ex Fuki is the use of, not how he “prepare” the opponent to this. Sometimes he wait too much to go for the max damage that tool can give. Obviously is risky but, you know what? He give to the opponent just a possibility to save his ass and often, too often, he loses matches he deserves to win. Look at his last match against Nemo or the Evo match against Daigo. Those are the two who make a comeback thanks to Misse’s fault. Playing Makoto means capitalizing every single possibility to do the max damage, too often he doesn’t go for it and choose the sure damage. EX Fuki-HK Tsurugi can be useful sometimes to put the opponent in guess, but we all know isn’t the best damage possibility. He knows well how to use hayate post mixups,but what @Etherealwtf says about before was correct.

[ quote] Does Misse have room to level up some more? Of course he does, everyone who plays this game is trying to hit that next skill plateau, even the veterans and gods who we admire and cheer for every time they play. I just want to remind everyone that hindsight is 20/20 and given what we’ve seen, Misse has been more successful than not so far. If he had beaten that Balrog instead, we’d be less inclined to criticize his gameplay. In fact, I didn’t even really see him do anything wrong in that Balrog match up. Want to know why Balrog can afford to sit there and wait? Because he’s fucking Balrog. His offense comes from defense because he’s a charge character. The entire onus of starting the offensive was on Misse because charge characters just sit and wait. That’s not something new, that’s every charge character in the entirety of existence. About the worst thing Misse did in those matches was make hard reads that just didn’t pay out, because you actually have to take risks to play Makoto and not just hold downback and hit jab and sweep occasionally.
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-R- pretty knows how to play this MU,just play D. He forced Misse to do something and it works. Since his gameplan is pretty clear,why keep mash buttons when you know Rog goes for a counter move? Slowly approach is a better option instead, this is where EX Hayate comes into play. Put Rog in the corner limits his movements and possibility to out-footsies Makoto and give Misse a lot of ways to destroys Boxer. Lack of patience is one of the bad habits every Makoto have thanks to her need to be close (and for her awful walkspeed,sf4 defensive mechanics,etc.) and -R- use this at his own advantage. Against a turtle you need to turtle more… At first. After gaining the life lead we just need to stay where our counter moves works, Rog hasn’t many safe ways to approach Makoto and most of them means give up the charge.

sf4 makoto players are traumatized by sf3 makoto. It’s not the same character, deal with it. She is not as powerfull, she has no parry. The rules are different. Stop whining about how she used to be, it’s not the same game.

Misse is the best makoto. It does not mean he plays the character perfectly (If you follow that way to think, you could say apple phones are the best since they earn so much money).

I played someone who told me he was affraid of my Makoto SLOWLY walking forward. No dash forward, no fMP, no backjump, jump, tsurugi, fMK. Just walk forward. Walking forward lets you have all your options ready, you can’t be countered in your choice since you did not take any. Every time i see a Makoto ‘turtling’, it’s because she will dash forward to karakusa. That’s how grotesque our yomi has become.

Where is the patience ? Look at Hugo players (ie Bonchan vs Vallee). The Yomi is real. Vallee gathers data(and lets his opponent backjump to counter that when it counts), then Vallee uses data, then Vallee lets Bonchan fear him and punishes everything. Vallee is quite passive in all that, his choices are super safe or motivated by what he saw before.

When i read Misse did some bad ‘hard read’, i disagree. He did what was logical to do : random karakusa to comeback with his ultra. That’s very predictable. It’s not a hard read, it’s randomness assisted by no respect for the opponent and his knowledge of makoto.

Took the words out of my mouth. No one ever said she was an easy character to play. At a high level perspective it just becomes mind games.

Also it seems that this conversation has been popping up more and more lately, thanks to the announcement of SF5.
We get it she has a very tough time in SF4 but there’s no need to dwell on the good old times of third strike, those times are long gone.

All we can do is not learn the character match up, but the player match up.

misse took Taiwan fighter! good stuff to him…

Sometimes I disagree with what he does against grapplers, but you really can’t deny his results in those matchup.
I think he has never lost to Itabashi since Ultra and they meet like every event.

Crap, I was able to stay awake long enough to see Misse take a big dump all over Tonpy, then I fell asleep and missed him winning the whole damn thing.

Gaaaaah just waiting for someone to post the footage now so I can see it.

that match against tonpy was brutal.

Double post,sorry

Congrats to Misse, I really enjoy his plays this time. Seems way more aggressive to me, so I like it :smiley:

Misse played really well. <3 I liked the composure and that he took the time to think about the fight even when he won it. fuki ex>jump hp+ double dash to tsurugi was sexy. He also did a good job with his tsurugi > sMK confirms.

“It’s much more tiring to play Makoto than it is to play, say, Guile.”

Zhi gets it.

New daily reminder that this is the greatest scramble in the history of ever.

One thing Misse is really good at is definitely recognizing the range where you need to use stMK after axekick to combo. That’s not easy, because usually your brain want to use stMP or crMP.

also that hk tsurigi range on gief!

https://youtu.be/v7riMkug18s

match vs tonpy @ 5:55

I see shiro giving advice in the back…

That gamertag… Momochi?! This set is crazy.

that makoto was a bit inefficient, too much use of ex hayate instead of fukiage. was that really momochi? I don’t know momochi to play that reckless…so many wiffed dps.

Ex hayate in those situations are good,limiting Ken movements by sending him in the corner is a good idea, his f+Mk is too annoying, nice move Capcom. This Makoto played well to me. Momochi XBL Gamertag is green 212, but who knows. That Ken played well with all those OS and stuff. Even the probably original Momochi is shoryu-happy…

I’m not sure that’s Momochi. He jumps a lot, and Momochi is one of the most grounded player out there.

It’s a one year old video but when i watch this

and then the one you posted, i don’t recognize the same Ken playstyle at all in the matchup.

Although , this is a good makoto and a good ken for sure. Watching those match made me more appreciative of Misse trying to always punish blocked DP with axekick first for some reason.
Also, lol Mak’s Ultra 2 is so bad. Almost everytime he used it U1 would have been betetr / would have won him rounds.