Thanks for the explanation. I never fully understood the frame data behind that stuff. Now I can be more confident opening matches with/against magz.
haha… Where have you been I found more stuff you should know about.
Man, I believed you at first because your video almost demanded respect, but man I swear you need to re-evaluate what you’re saying. The first frames of Jumping back aren’t block, or else one could cancel a standing roundhouse to jump up back, which they could canel to another standing attack, as long as they cancelled to dash during the block frames. But thats not the case, you misunderstood “super jump guard cancel”. Reason why you get hit if you jump back is because the suki occurs (without the cancel) well in simple english, magneto goes to block the cr. short, as opposted to going into jumping animations, he goes into block animations, and of course since he’s holding up back he gets raped for it. Jump frames are the same all around regardless of if its up, up back, or up forward.
isn’t that the samething ekin already said? it’s already been implied that the other mag is gonna c.wk @ the start
yeah i don’t know what you’re disagreeing with, if you’re disagreeing with my FAQ about suki cancel and sjgc, i agree with you, the only reason i put that stuff about sjgc in there is because mike z and viscant told me it could be done =]
you know…now that i think of it, that move has nothing to do with magneto abilities :rolleyes:
My buddy the disruptor is a projectile attack that magneto can do. It’s done with a back down foward motion ending with a punch.
SO half circle, punch.
somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed haha… there are strats involving em disruptor. I.E. doing it so it catches storm about to do hail, basic zoning supplemented with storm is good too :tup:
Ugh, if anyone doesn’t know this yet here it goes (fyi this will have nothing to do with openers)
If you sj with mag Down > Up it’s instant so you cant block before you leave the floor, let alone attack until like 2 frames of sj happening. Then air dash down at about 5 or 6 frames. Now combine that formula with frame data and that shoul dhelp you to figure out what is faster and what works and stuff.
If there’s nothing to block, you won’t block.
My understanding was that jumping straight up gave you lower body invincibility, whereas jumping forward or back gives you a frame where you’re still on the ground.
yes, jumping up and down is faster than back or foroward because of frames So you can figure out the rest
no its not, give me one instance, of a forward jump doing something that a normal jump cant. They are identical. Use ur pad to figure it out. Up back, up forward, straight up are identical. At the start of a match you can hold up and you will jump OVER magneto’s switch glitched cr. short kick, which is effective at frame 2. At the start of a match you can also hold up forward and you will jump OVER magneto’s cr. short kick.
We KNOW jumping straight up is either 1 or 2 frames, but if it was 2 then you would get hit, as magneto’s short kick is effective at frame 2. Therefore we are left with the KNOWLEDGE that magneto’s jump can only be 1 frame, because he jumps over a 1 frame move. Put it this way. We know its 1 frame because it doesn’t get hit by magneto’s 1 frame cr. short kick (its actually 1+1 frame for crouch), We also know that there is no such thing as a frame segment, or half of a frame. So it has to be a whole number. If up forward is also jumping over magneto’s cr. short it has to be identical, because we know jumping up can’t be 0 frame, and with the above logic it can’t be 2. And neither can up forward. Simple math, J= jump, j = <2, >0 as does forward+j.
Summary: they are both 1 frame.
Is this Marvel or Math class? 
we got formulas and what not? Anyways, did you just say at the beginning of your post that upback, up, and upforward are all identical? Cuz you didn’t include upback in your mathematical equations. :rolleyes:
hehehe
funny :lame:
This thread is my book because this is 5 units subject…
joke!!! :lame:
You are soooooo gay…and not funny. you my friend are :lame:
Because you can’t jump over magneto’s cr. short with up back, because the game will make you block. Don’t say stuff that makes you look stupid like “Is this Marvel or Math class” Cuz it isn’t like I was over here preaching conceptual under-pinnings of calculus, its simple addition/subtraction. I used the math to show you that they are truly identical (at least up forward, and up are). I know up forward and up back are identical, which I just proved is identical to up so…if you’re too stupid to follow the logic, stay the hell out of the thread.
now hold on one second, cuz I was just messing around with my math comments, and I’m definitely not “too stupid to follow logic”. But now you really have confused me. Not trying to make fun of you anymore honestly, but you just said “up forward and up back are identical”. I don’t understand how you can say in one paragraph that up back won’t go over cr. short, but up forward will(which is true), and THEN say that you KNOW upforward and upback are identical. If I’m being stupid here feel free to explain how, maybe it’s just me, because I think I know what you’re trying to say, but you are contradicting yourself with the way you worded it.
OMFG this thread is so stupid. There should not be so much arguing and stupid theories for the opener…
When in doubt just fucking block, nuff said. Ooops i actually posted somthin about real gameplay you can actually use, sorry =[.
I still love that av fetus never change it thx.
No, I was simply explaining why I didn’t include up back in my example. The frames for each jump are identical. It would be the same as saying, magneto walks forward at a rate equal to his walking back. And then someone asking well what if the opponent dies a fierce. Like I said if you can’t follow the logic, stay the fuck out of the thread.
Fetus, the reason why this thread digressed is because some idiots tried stating some bull shit, and I hate when people act like they know what they’re talking about when they have no fucking clue.