M.Bison General Thread: Come here prepared to fight a madman, and instead you will find a GOD!

[Alexisdabomb]

I find that his regular Psycho Ball is a really good poke at max range. Had some success with that.

I just found it really hard to open dudes up if they want to turtle.

[gig4ls]

Interesting. Because I was LK Scissors for free on block and no one was punishing and I fought more than a few decent players. When you say that it’s unsafe do you mean that it’s a free punish with low foward or Sweep or just with super for certain characters?

His cr.HP is worthless now. st.HK as an AA is okay, not great, not horrible.

I can’t really find too many reasons to use his V-Trigger It looks like he can be hit out of the teleports while in that mode which nullifies the purpose for me.

Psycho Inferno is just dumb. I don’t get the purpose of it.

I liked that he could do jMP, MP into LK Scissors juggle and then end with EX Head Stomp. But if the player can quickrise and he gets out of the EX Head Stomp, why the fuck is it there? It just doesn’t make a lot of sense. Plus, why waste meter when his super is so GDLK? I kind of wish that you were able to stock 2 supers in this game so you can have some fun with the EX moves.

Really hard to tick throw with him, everyone is ready to mash jab to stop that. So I’ve been trying to do a tick and then doing st.HK to counter it with a little success.

I said: “safeness” tested by recording Ken doing a guard reversal ex shoryu in training mode.

c hp and s hk have different hitboxes, you need to use the correct one in the correct situation. c hp is still better than s hk generally because you push your own hurtbox down into a crouching height.

Psycho inferno is a great way to chip them. As with the rest of his specials, it is unsafe so if you want to go for massive chip then you need to cancel into v-trigger.

ex psycho inferno is probably the best use of meter at this point. Free AA, leaves them close.

[SUPARNOVAX]

Also, don’t do EX Inferno into EX SK in the corner as it will tend to whiff

Delay the EX-SK and you will hit a full animation

[Muttonman]

Also, don’t do EX Inferno into EX SK in the corner as it will tend to whiff

Delay the EX-SK and you will hit a full animation

Yeah, but since EX HK gives a HKD now there’s no reason to use that combo. So less learning for me

[SUPARNOVAX]

LK SK is +1 on hit? I am looping LK SK, s.LK xx LK SK on people and it is hitting a lot because they still mash after being* hit *lol

[gig4ls]

LK SK is +1 on hit? I am looping LK SK, s.LK xx LK SK on people and it is hitting a lot because they still mash after being* hit *lol

After hit you are definitely safe, so you are at at least 0.

[DANZAN]

this made me lol so i had to make a YT video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-L586KL-0c

[Nivek]

how are people coping with r.mika ? seems once shes in its pretty hopeless

[gig4ls]

how are people coping with r.mika ? seems once shes in its pretty hopeless

Don’t forget you have an alpha counter. That’s the only thing I’ve found so far.

[Muttonman]

Don’t let her get in.

If she gets in (she will get in), make the hard reads on throws and backdash/jump to full punishes

It’s probably worthwhile to use your V Gauge on Alpha Counters here to push her back out.

If you don’t make the hard reads, consider picking a different character because this is not a fun matchup from what I can tell

[Nivek]

thanks for the tips, and yeah definitely not a fun matchup lol, Unfortunately I am stuck with bison due to character loyalty, used him since vanilla and he’s the only true charge char in sfv so far.

[Kriger_Stern]

Damage was nerfed to be more in line with other characters. Noticed Inferno is charged and Scissors must be -3. Couldn’t notice the distance nerf, however.
HK Scissors -> VTrigger -> Cr.MP combos.

[Alexisdabomb]

My face when fighting a Ken and jump in and know he’s going to do an SRK and I super…

[Wikum]

Damage was nerfed to be more in line with other characters. Noticed Inferno is charged and Scissors must be -3. Couldn’t notice the distance nerf, however.
HK Scissors -> VTrigger -> Cr.MP combos.

for sure. you can’t press buttons after lk scissors now. it’s gotten me killed a few times.

[God_2.0]

I’ve been playing Bison a bit in the beta so far, and I must say his moveset feels rather weak. Two of his specials seem pointless if not done with EX.

What’s the purpose of Psycho Blast? The only use for it so far has been to perform it accidentally when going for HP attacks after blocking, and the terrible startup and recovery gets me killed every time. The hitbox seems small, and the damage is low. Same goes for Inferno. Nice damage from the EX version, but what’s the point of the other versions when one has HK Knee Press?

Also, it saddens me to see his Psycho HP attacks deal less damage than the regular punches of other characters. What’s up with the statistics web saying he has high damage, when in fact his damage is rather poor compared to others?

Now we have a character that is slow, has no reversals, and deals medium damage? Seriously, his punch button specials need to have a purpose in the game. I really miss his SF4 walkspeed.

[gig4ls]

This made me laugh. Ladies and gentlemen, Justin Wrong.

[killthevibe]

glad this character got nerfed into the ground.

[Nivek]

nice one gig4ls btw the alpha counters are helping against r.mika… just had a really close game… still lost but didn’t get mauled quite as bad.

[Muttonman]

Psycho Blast is punishable on block by Chun CA. This is bullshit.

I’ve been playing Bison a bit in the beta so far, and I must say his moveset feels rather weak. Two of his specials seem pointless if not done with EX.

What’s the purpose of Psycho Blast? The only use for it so far has been to perform it accidentally when going for HP attacks after blocking, and the terrible startup and recovery gets me killed every time. The hitbox seems small, and the damage is low. Same goes for Inferno. Nice damage from the EX version, but what’s the point of the other versions when one has HK Knee Press?

Also, it saddens me to see his Psycho HP attacks deal less damage than the regular punches of other characters. What’s up with the statistics web saying he has high damage, when in fact his damage is rather poor compared to others?

Now we have a character that is slow, has no reversals, and deals medium damage? Seriously, his punch button specials need to have a purpose in the game. I really miss his SF4 walkspeed.

Yeah, he’s got a lot of dead buttons. The issue with HK Inferno is that the only way to really go into it is via a counterhit cr.mp or juggle into it. It’s kind of pointless otherwise. HK SK got a reason to exist now with CCH combos and being able to VTC into cr.mp at least. MP and HP blast have little to no reason to exist either.

Right now the special moves that are useful seem to be all SK, MP and EX Inferno, LP and EX Blast. I don’t even think the various HS strengths do anything either (although the DR strengths do alter the angle).

Fuck just give me back cr.hp so I can play a defensive game when ahead…

[gig4ls]

What’s the purpose of Psycho Blast?

It’s a safe meaty, unlike scissors.

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Don’t worry, I’ll think of a real reason soon. T_T