I’ve been playing Rogue/Jugs/Tron for a while now. If I were to go “true low tier” and drop Tron, who would you guys recommend?
yeah I know about tron…I actually have teams without her I’m working on, but I had to pick her to try and counter (assist kill) your cyc and all your other anti airs when my anak/silsam/sonson got owned. even then, cyc still owned meh D:
Mixup and SHoultz Lets get on Tobal 2. They need to remake that game i swear…even re-release would be good
if you have epsxe, we can play online. All though I don’t know how well it will work. aim me @ shoultzula and lets try to set something up.
Would you guys consider the top assists such as CapCom, Psylocke and Tron to be low tier?
That’s always a good question for debate-- I guess there’s 2 main things to consider.
1.) Character’s point play-- main question: Are they vastly better than the core of other low tiers? sub-question: Have we seen truly great solo exploits with these characters in tournament play yet?
I actually think the 2nd question is an important one, bc I think that a low tier comp serves to both allow low tier maestros a forum to compete and also to help the bum characters step up their game by giving them more face time.
2.) Assist balance-- Main Q: Is the character’s assist so good that it gives a team an unfair advantage? Sub-Q: Does the assist give SPECIFIC characters an unfair advantage?
This gets into why I actually don’t think any of the 3 in question should be banned. When I look at Doom assist for example, I see a clear-cut advantage for any character that can poop out a lot of stuff onscreen. So even though Doom’s point play and tourney presence alone is enough to get him banned, his assist IMO still helps a portion of the cast exceedingly more than the rest.
On the other hand, to me CapCom, Psy, and Tron all give instant Space Control, Combo-ability, and Damage Potential respectively, across the board. Sure, a more mobile character can take advantage of Tron or Psy better, but honestly, even if someone picks Psy/Cap/Tron, there’s MUCH better non-Tron teams that can win easy.
I think the ability to dhc well with your team is important. Understand what super to dhc to the next. It might alter your teams order.
Also, i know normal jumping has different principles depending on its direction. Does sj’ing also apply? For example.
if there is something to block on the screen and you normal jump up+back, your character will stay on the ground for a second then jump up+back. So I was wondering if the same happens but with Super Jumping?
example: Match starts, THE BATTLE FOR SURVIVAL BEGINS, BEGIN. You are storm vs an glitched mag/psy. they go low and you are holding up back. You remain on the ground and get hit by lk lk. why? because the up/back delay.
also, jumping straight up is instant so when sents got you locked down you are most likely to sj when holding straight up.
why would this be important? say your cable/cap vs storm/cyc. storms normal jumping towards you and your try to sj. out. you cant because theres something to block on your screen, so you twitch your stick to superjump, but nothing, and continue to hold up. now storm triangle jumps high then low. You get hit low because you were still holding up and BAM storm/sent dhc YOU DIE.
but now that you know this you can be prepared to block hi/lows because you know sj up+back delays(if it does have same concept as normal jump up/back)
as long as there’s something there to block, even if it’s not physically touching you, you will stay on the ground blocking high if you press up+back. this is regardless of a nj or a sj.
far away cr.lk ends quickly so you then move up. something like a sent plasma ball super would keep you grounded
also, not sure how this actually pertains to this thread 
but I do agree safe DHCs are always important
now i know why jumpers jumpers get hit low.
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IS everyone sleeping on Dhalsim? Dhalsim is secret top tier? How is he still on your list? I think he’s the only one there with an 8-way airdash, has good staples that set up DHC, great zoning, fantastic runaway, Damaging BnB (granted with bars), and all kinds of corner ridiculousness and option-select guardbreaks, option select non-guardbreaks, and he’ll kill most characters for one bar (that he builds) if he has unfly and gets a launch.
Is it just the issue of needing good execution with him to do his stuff? His only real disadvantage is having truly terrible life.
BTW… Dhalsim-aaa/Cammy-aaa/Anak-throw
Lotsa Anak throw assist opportunities here.
e.g. call cammy, TK fire (if they were going up cammy knocks them down on block and fire covers them getting out again, airdash, hp, land, c.lp… still being blocked? throw assist, tri jump hk… if they stood, throw, wave dash, combo… of if the ducked, tri jump hk tags them in the face and you combo off it.
You also get the bonus of Anaks curse inf if you keep Sim alive.
Indeed you do!
Sim/Morrigan/SS gets midscreen guardbreak since you’re replacing IM with another instant super… and an unblockable.
With Cammy/Sim c.hp+sim, / , hp, whiff dive (sim hits) \ /, c.hp, / , hk,xx,qcf+hk,xx,qcb+pp is a good chunk of damage.
Zangief COULD be a good assist for damage, though he works optimally in this fashion with Storm, Sent, or Mag because he gives them 100% combos with no DHC needed (1 bar)–airthrow combo counter reset… two combos for the price of one!
i have not read any of this thread, but i’ve come to this conclusion of low tier marvel:
stop having any discussions about it.
make the rules, enforce the rules, run the tourney. by creating rules, you essentially have become a game developer, and we all know that those guys dont discuss what they want on forums, because all of US would BITCH and MOAN and CRY about what is fair and what is not. the reason why srk accepts fighting game unfairness is because WE ALL KNOW OUR OPINIONS CANT CHANGE SHIT, SO WE ADJUST TO THE REALITY OF THE RULES SET BEFORE US.
so stop talking.
just run tourneys with the rules you think are fair. and hopefully, eventually, someday, we might come into some kind of agreement. imo at least 2-3 low tier marvel games can be created out of mvc2.
…i might just run a local low tier tourney myself sometime soon.
(lol this might have just been all wayyyy off topic, i havent read this thread. i just made this post because soon i want to run some low tier marvel tourneys)
Cap, Charlie, Ken. aka. America, Chuck Norris, Ken fucking Masters. aka. TEAM AMERICA…FUCK YA!