Looks like we FINALLY got Makoto

No? But I never said that they were purchased for that purpose?

The AR15 is popular because if an easy platform to maintain yourself. Its pretty well the “Toyota” of rifles.

Also, an AR15 in standard spec fires 5.56 rounds, which are actually the same diameter as a .22. Which is the smallest standard handgun caliber. They are rifle rounds though, so they do move much faster than a .22 fired from a handgun.

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Get him Chun!

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What do you mean with “mantain yourself?”
What I’m trying to do is debasing the point made by eskills about most people purchasing guns for necessity due to living in rural areas full of dangerous Wildlife, if that were true the most purchased rifle wouldn’t be a semi automatic rifle designed for combat

I may be talking out of my ass, but don’t you want a pistol for self-defence instead of an AR-15?

Unless you’re in a rural area with bears or whatever wildlife problems that would require a BFG (And you should have better options like traps or whatever) you just shouldn’t need an AR-15. Hell, they ain’t even suited to taking down bears.

Yeah I never said what you’re implying. All guns are for killing. Saying combat is dumb.

Especially when the majority of the shootings that happen are overwhelmingly done by handguns.

No one said they are purchased strictly for necessity? Or at the very least I didn’t.

Fire-arms actually take alot of maintenance to keep up and going, and most people do some limited modification. The AR15 is not a specific rifle, it is a platform. The AR15 platform is very easy to clean, upgrade, fix, modify, etc… Its also relatively cheap. It popularity is due to many of those factors. Those same factors are also why the original version of the platform (M4) is still very common in many militaries.

Also, regarding dangerous wildlife. That is EXACTLY where you would want a semi-automatic weapon. You don’t want a firearm that makes you reload after each shot. For any defense purpose at all, you want a semi-automatic gun. Anything less would not do the trick.

Also, what does “designed for combat mean”. Basically every firearm on the planet was originally designed for combat. Guns are for killing, that’s the function. Who would buy a gun not designed for combat?

You are correct, pistols are a much better defense weapon in most instances (hence why bear guns defense guns are usually pistols).

As I said before though, an AR15 is a platform, and not a specific gun. There are more permutations of that platform that you can fathom.

Also, traps are not a defense mechanism, at least not in this instance. If you run into a bear in the woods (usually while hunting something else), traps won’t do you any good.

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When I say designed for combat I mean something that could be brought to a battlefield, would you bring a Tikka t3 to a combat zone?
Still it blows my mind that so many people own a semi automatic rifle, I mean I could imagine old McDonald using it against packs of wolves but in an urban area? Against who do you have to defend? Charlie hiding in the green?

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Wouldn’t bring an AR15 to a battlefield either.

Also, most urban crime is committed with .22 pistols. In fact most gunshot wounds are .22 pistols if memory serves.

Another note. The vast majority of guns are semi-automatic. Its virtually impossible to buy (or even find) a gun that isn’t thats not a shotgun, or a cowboy gun. They exist, but they aren’t useful, and you’d have to really go out of your way to obtain one.

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Also, because i was not familiar with it, I looked up the Tikka T3.

That platform was developed for military applications. Specifically, as a sniper rifle for sorts. A version of it is apparently still used by some Canadian armed forces.

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Ok, so , since there seems to be nothing wrong with so many semi automatic rifles around what is it in your opinion that makes american people so prone at shooting at crowds?

@Volt , @Windalfr is actually from that area. Him and another SRKer named davidstar.

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I don’t have a good answer to that, and quite frankly, I don’t think there is a “silver bullet” answer.

Access to weapons is certainly a part of that, don’t misunderstand me. However, I don’t buy for a second that that is the whole picture (or even most of the picture).

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Ah @Windalfr , I’m gonna have to bring back the classic for him.

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Then honestly, there really is no excuse.

Hunting is a whole can of worms I ain’t opening, but no shit, you ain’t setting a trap when you’re not in your territory. We talking defensive applications, not hunting.

If for urban defense pistols are better and for wildlife defense different pistols are better, why the hell would you need a semi-auto rifle?

I don’t understand the question.

The rifle probably wasn’t purchased for defense.

I remember the shooting club and the hunters around here use weapon models simliar to the kar98k.
I like Boltaction rifles, should have went to the snipers during service.

Good accuracy and a nice kaliber, good for hunting all sizes of wildlife.

Wouldn’t use some garbage as a semi auto for that, unless I have really shitty aim.

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I’m curious would you be ok if it was a Beretta with an extended clip? Still semi-auto, but not a rifle. :thinking:

I think a lot of non american people have trouble with the concept of owning a gun if not for self defence

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Sorry. Will try to make myself more clear.

(For the most part) Civilians do not need assault rifles.

I’m talking purely defensive purposes. You just don’t need anything but a pistol if you want protection. That by itself would help at least lowering the body count on these kind of incidents.