Basically Dogura always goes Rolento now unless he’s way down in a match, then he picks Bison sometimes, looks like he hasn’t played Bison in awhile, then fumbles around and loses anyways.
Dogura would likely be the best Bison if he devoted time to the character, but Bison is probably his 5th priority in fighting games this point after Rolento and his other games.
and if i may add cantona was lacking alot of mu experiencie at that time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KWSK5-AGwo
that fight was about 1 year ago. m2c
About Zangief, sometimes it’s hard to know if Snake Eyez is truly the better one, or if Japan is just better at exposing this character’s weaknesses.
It’s really rare to see Itabashi or Cantona dominate players like Snake Eyez does, especially in neutral.
Also, I think Tonpy is a better Viper than Latif now. I believe strongly that Latif has more potential than Tonpy ( especially on the side of execution ), but he’s hardly an active international player these days.
For Juri, its a lot of theory because that character is still such a sleeper, and Aiai top8 EVO results hold a lot of for his case, but I know most Juri players consider Yossan a bit better.
There’s a ton of amazing Juris…Younashi, Yossan and Aiai.
I think many people fall into the trap of watching one or two big tournaments (like Evo or some other American one), seeing a player do really well and then just deciding he’s the best with that character.
In the case of 801strider…there were two tournaments that made people start talking a lot about him. Norcal Regionals 2015 and then CEO 2015 shortly after. He did well in both of them and then people started throwing out the “best Abel in the world”. The problem is, why wasn’t anyone referring to him as the best Abel, before those tournaments? They knew he existed…James Chen and others would talk about him when he’d come up to play in whatever tournament he’s in but they just called him “one of the best Abels in the US”. You don’t just suddenly become the best in the world after 1-2 tournaments, that’s not how it works…it’s a long and progressive road. If he wasn’t the best before then, he doesn’t just suddenly become the best after those two tournaments.
It’s the same with many other players…Aiai. AiAi might be the best, along with Yossan and Younashi but lets be real - most people that watched Evo had no clue who is AiAi. They saw he did really well and said “best Juri in the world”.
Ok the only problem I really have with that list is Ryan Hart. At least put Sekigan Ryu there if anything.
After seeing his recent replay, I agree
vivi and cojiro arent even the best chuns in their own country…
When I was playing Itabashi I asked him who he thinks the best chun was. he answered valmaster, then I asked him about Japan and he said Uryo, and it I actually completely agree with him.
Val is the best chun
Lol…I actually completely forgot about Uryo and in previous threads I had called him the best current Chun
For me it was Vivi for a long time, then Uryo. Cojiro I was unfamiliar with until recently.
Uryo’s execution and tech is stronger than Valmaster. People are just used to Valmaster because they see him so often.
idk since nemo i dont really like any other chun tbh. Val is just too derpy at times with a character that cant really derp much imo
Wish the guy traveled.
Wish we had more strong Ryu in general ever since the Eryu Exodus.
Ryu
Sako’s Ibuki is better than Pugera’s.
Okay, missed that:
“My only real requirement is that the player actually consistently uses the character in USF4, not someone who mained the character in an earlier version of the game.”
Snake is by far the best Gief
No
Honestly, you can’t judge players outside of their actual results. Snake Eyez is the best gief.
He’s probably worse in some matchups compared to japanese giefs, but that’s due to lack of character representation and smaller playerbase.
This is no different than comparing players like Bonchan vs Santarou, for instance. Santarou plays a very different style (so it’s really tough and probably unfair to directly compare the two) and does much better in a number of matchups as a result, but since we’re limited to picking just one guy there’s no way to compete with Bonchan’s accomplishments.
Well I don’t think Bonchan is better than Santarou because of his accomplishments, but rather his consistency and ability. Both are very high level but I think it’s clear that Bonchan is the better player, even if he might not play the Rose matchup as well as Santarou does.
The question of who is the best with each character, I think is trying to ask this: if you wanted to watch the strongest players for a particular character so that you can learn the most, who would you watch?
Regardless of Snakeyez’ results, if he mainly gets results against American players and does well in American tournaments, while there are very strong Giefs in Japan that do well and consistently play against top players like Daigo, Momochi, Fuudo, Kazunoko, Uryo, Dashio, etc etc, who would you watch?
Tell me, if Daigo never went to tournaments and the only Ryu everyone knew was XSK Samurai(or some other RYu…lets just use him) and then they saw a bunch of Daigo matches (not tournament matches, just casuals), are you saying that people would be unable to conclude from watching, that Daigo is a stronger Ryu than XSK Samurai? That seems to be what you’re saying.
But Snake Eyez is playing against all those names.
I do think accomplishments go hand in hand with how good someone is, but thinking it over in my previous post I said Sekiganryu was bepst Ryu and he also doesn’t go to tournaments, so you’re right that by my logic best Ryu would be some random dude, which is quite absurd.
I dunno, maybe it’s just because I had more exposure to Snake Eyez but I do think he’s the best. You can see that he’s good even on stuff that’s more general than the character, like footsies (his e. ryu is terrible though). Maybe Hagejin is better, but again it’s something really hard to measure, so due to all the tournament showings the benefit of doubt goes to Snake Eyez. Itazan for sure doesn’t compare to him.
They consistently play against players like Daigo, Momochi, Fuudo, etc… but the first time Daigo lost to a Gief was against Hagejin using the best Gief we’ve had, and it hasn’t happened since. Hagejin also beat Momochi at that same tournament, who Snake Eyez has a decent record against. Kazunoko hasn’t lost to a Zangief in a long, long time, Uryo beat Cantona last time they played, etc… and again, there’s no footage of them, how can you claim that Cantona is better than Snake Eyez today if there hasn’t been any footage of Cantona in around an entire year?
Zangief’s tournament results were excellent all over the world when we had LP GH, then it got nerfed and now the only ones doing any noise are Snake Eyez and Itabashi because they’re the only ones travelling and playing. They both lose to matchups that they don’t have on their scenes (I see you pointed out Itabashi vs Stormkubo and compared it to Snake Eyez losing to Infil, but Snake Eyez is the one who took Reiketsu out at EVO, and he used to have Chris King at his scene).
Again, the only actual way to compare them considering who they lose to would be by comparing their tournament results when they are together, and it’s been a long, long time since Itabashi ended above Snake Eyez.
but Snake Eyez isn’t Japanese, how can he be better? he has inferior fighting game DNA
So who has the best Deejay?