Lightning Loop on small characters

I’ve been in the lab a few times to test it out with a couple small characters and for the life of me I can’t seem to get it to work on them. Amaterasu falls out of it completely and Viewtiful Joe will stay in the combo up until the first time you hit him in the Sougenmu Loop. Haven’t really tried it on Rocket Raccoon yet but AFAIK it seems to be REALLY HARD to get the smaller characters into a full lightning loop. Any tips on how to adjust the combo in order for it to fully work on them?

Amaterasu (Dr. Strange and Shuma too) can’t be Lightning Looped the traditional way, since they fall out of low altitude Buster xx Lightning

You’ll have to Sougenmu BEFORE OTGing those three characters

I don’t think there is any specific timing to V. Joe or R.R. I do them both the same way I do other characters. So, I’m not sure there.