honestly if you ask me ken match ups in that top tier list are all good…i think he does good against all of them, and it doesnt even need to be c-ken, ill play k ken and still do the same without the combo of death…
im outi
Roberth
he does good against anyone as long as he lands c.lk, clk xx super
but realistically, it wont always happen
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finally someone who feels the same as i do. this guy can fight anyone in the game.
yama is good but only with a lead he does not have the ability to comeback against the top tier characters seeing as most of his super set ups are kinda gimmicky the the opponent never has to come towards yama he has no chance against sag, blanka, or cammy because their normals beat his i guess rc snake arm gives you a chance but if they have a lvl3 you could eat one just for trying. this is a little old but i guess if you want him bumped up beat someone with him. hell i’ve been saying k-ryu should replace c/n ryu on the tier list if for no other reason…simply because its the only ryu that ppl still play. best ryu user was/is? choi and he’s dropped him like years ago the only ryu’s that are available to see now are AO’s and that one kid joey can’t remember where he’s from…
but oh well yama is mid deal with it…thats not saying he sucks…just saying you have to work harder to win with him…and who cares where he’s ranked as long as you keep winning games…kudos to grid for fighting so hard for his character to be respected gotta admire the man’s drive
Dan still plays C-Ryu which is one of the stronger ryu’s imo. Kind of low damage on the supers though as he’s just not scary enough imo w/o k groove rage.
no chance against sagat? the yama vs. sagat match up has been discussed to the extent that its agreed that the match up is more closer then people think it is. its not a even match up of course but it comes down pretty close.
You’re pretty clueless. He doesnt need to hit a super to make a comeback really. Does guile have to hit a super to make a comeback or can he just wittle the opponent down with his zoning?
You’re joking right? Sagat has a bitch of a time against Yama, especially if he has less life. If yama has less / even, its not HORRIBLE or having NO CHANCE but its not easy. Work your way in, work the guard bar, force them to make a mistake, use a command grab etc. Blanka is the worst cause he can jump (FROM FAR) all day unless you have a level 2. Cammy isnt bad, use st.mk and cr.mk along with rc fierce arm. Only jump in if you’re in a little closer than where the tip of her rh would be.
“Work your way in, work the guard bar, force them to make a mistake, use a command grab etc.”
sounds like every characters strategy???
i mean i can say that with kyo vs blanka, work your way in work the gaurd bar, force a mistake, use kick throw…that does not mean that blanka has a bitch time against kyo and it doesnt mean the match up for kyo is good, because it isnt…
im sorry but sagat yama is bad for yama…sagat doesnt not have a “bitch” time against yama thats a comfortable match for sagat imo…
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Roberth
Do you want me to be more specific? Work your way in with SMART st.rhs and rc fierce slashes / occasional dust. TRY TO GET A KNOCKDOWN. Use cr.rh to punish if you can. If sagat jumps at you, you can try walk back cr.rh as a tripguard anti air. If sagat sticks something out, it will beat it. Once you get to yamazakis sweet spot (just outside max st.rh range) is when things can start happening. Use st.mk and cr.mk to stuff pokes and things like walk up c.jab xx dust xx arm, or walk up cr.mk xx fierce arm. Dash into command grab (super grab if you’re feeling lucky. Punish their rolls but keep them in the corner.
Sagat doesnt have an easy time against yama. No where near a walk in the park for sagat. Not a bad matchup by any means for yama. Yama can anti air sagat from just about every range (only a few quirky distances that he cant with st.mp, cr.fierce for crossups, deep lvl 2 works too). Use st.mk against his st.lk and cr.lk/mk. Smart rc mp slashes work well as long as you dont get to predictable. Same with st.rh. Preemptive st.fierce from sagat will beat st.rh clean, otherwise its stuffed. Unless sagat has a level 2, its hard to DP his j.mk and j.lk cleanly because of their weird angle. If you can safely jump in with one, land and either walk up jab x dust x arm or if you’re too far, st.fierce xx mp knife or fierce arm.
gridman, you need to play better competition.
You need to play a good yamazaki.
so you talking about which groove yama when you talk about yama c-groove? or n-groove?
also i didnt say sagat can walk in the park against yama, i said it was comfortable…he doesnt have to worry about too might shit…mix ups can get crazy at anytime but he can rest mix ups and just play the poking game…id probably say like 7-3 match for sagat…
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Roberth
C-groove. N is good for rushdown but is more riskier.
I know you didnt say that but a LARGE portion of people seem to think sagat vs yama is a joke, myself included before I learned yamazaki. 5.5-4.5 sagats favor. Just my opinon.
That’s like saying the match is almost even - which just sounds biased to me.
For anti-sagat, I think yama against K-Sagat is “do-able” because he can pre-emptively zone him with snake arms. I give this match 6-4 to K-Sagat.
Against a rolling sagat, heavily relying on snake arms just falls apart. Without that “1st barrier” to play off of, I rate 7-3 to C/N-Sagat. A normal footsie game will ensue. Yama can poke, but Sagat can poke > super for high damage. Sagat also has better jumpins and AA options.
Its the other way around honestly. Yama has a really hard time against low jump rh unless you preemptive st.mp which is risky. Itll generally get stuffed which leads to CH rh xx dp.
You dont need to rely on snake arms against C sagat. They are a big help but you use them sparingly and not predicitbly. I mean, how many times have you seen yama do something like st.rh (whiff or block) then snakearm? Thats why you dont do shit like that.
you going to evo this year??? we’ll play a sagat vs yama match 10 games and see what the outcome is…
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Roberth
Hopefully am. As long as I have the money.
did either of you read what i wrote? i said UNLESS YAMA HAS A LEAD he’s got no chance work your way in…oh sure with what? if sagat is content with waiting on you what is yama going to do tell a normal that will beat out sagat’s cr.fierce clean? …work is bar? with what? if sagat sits back and works his normals and doesn’t care about advancing towards you it may be lame but i can’t see anything yama can do to put him in danger. i believe its much easier for sagat to work your bar than it is for you to work his sagat definitely limits your options heavily if he has a level 3 you can’t even throw a lot of your long range moves…seeing as you could eat a lvl 3 for doing any of them. with his lack of mobility i can’t see yama getting in close enough for a command grab.
i guess i should reaffirm here that i like yama i think he’s a great character hell he kicks my ass at times but c yama vs c sagat is heavily in sagats favor robert called it a 7-3 match and no one asked him if he was joking…i may be wrong but doesn’t 7-3 means he fucking owns yama. grid you called it 5.5-4.5 which is fair for you to think that…but its gonna be tough to back that up.
I respect your love for your character like i said but most of the characters who give sagat problems all have one thing in common and thats speed something your boy yama lacks severely but if you’re playing with a lead you can do all sorts of shit make sagat have to guess but without it he can turtle you into oblivion.
i’ve beaten a lot of sagats with ryu does that mean sagat doesn’t own him? if i said ryu vs sagat was 5.5-4.5 you’d laugh me out of the building but if you played someone with a great ryu like choi or AO your sagat might get scraped hard.
all yama and sagat references are c-groove characters
i think yama is great against k sagat…because he can keep him out
maybe no chance was an overstatement…c yama vs c sagat is really really really hard for yama…that better :bgrin:
i dont think he does good against k sagat either…sagat has low jump and jding…
i wasnt joking about 7-3, and to me 7-3 means that match up is hard for yama…
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Roberth
For fucking get it. Until you have experience with the matchup dont act like you know what the hell you are talking about.
6-4 at worst against C-Sagat
7-3 at worst against K-sagat.
…go out and prove yourself. at this point you’re nothing but an annoyance