Learning cammy in ultra?

Hi SRK friends, was hoping to get some help getting pointed in the right direction. Sagat is nerfed into the ground, I’d messed around with Cammy before, but really want to learn her for real now, was hoping for some guidance on where to start, I saw in another post to work on one thing at a time, and that makes sense, she’s got so many tricks, gimmicks, combos, and setups, that I wanted to figure out the order to build my cammy game.

I know the importance of a good hit confirm (currently working on cr lk cr lp cr. mp x HK SA), good anti airs (dp duh), a good punish combo (getting the cr. hp cr. mk xx hk SA off of ex dive kicks/jump ins) and good pokes (stand hk and mk).

any advice on what to learn with cammy that is ultra-specific? I know a bunch of stuff changed with regular dive kick & delayed wakeup, any advice on the order to learn stuff?

In specific, I’d love to get any vet’s thoughts on:

  • good ways to keep pressure on when up close
  • go-to oki on a knockdown
  • how to deal with grapplers without a fireball
  • building a solid game plan for a beginner cammy

I’d appreciate any input and links!
Thank you!

With Cammy you just have to walk forward and bulldozer your way through your opponents defense. Which means you will eat a decent amount of chipdamage, you will eat a few fireballs, you might as well eat an antiair but once she is close you can end the game in like 10 seconds. But it’s really important that you learn to walk forward. If you walk into someones face, he has to do something if he doesn’t want you to be close which means he will either start pressing buttons, or he will walk back or maybe neutraljump / jump towards you. Once he starts pressing buttons you can try to counter them. If it’s a slow move like Cammys own far.HK then try to predict when he is going to do it and jump in. If it’s a cr.MK or a sweep try to get over it via really low EX strikes (just off the ground EX strikes, not grounded EX strikes.
Jump ? Antiair with DP. He walks back ? Awesome he will be in the corner in no time.
If your opponent plays a character with a fireball then try to build meter with Focus or try to move around fireballs with low height LK strikes or simply neutraljump.
Once you got enough meter (either EX for EX Arrow or Ultra 1) he just can’t use fireballs anymore and you can move on to normal pressure (and punish fireballs on reaction).

You can also play footsies with Cammy. Her cr.MP stuffs a lot of pokes such as Vegas cr.MP, Boxers cr.MP, Bisons far.MK (really hard to do though but hey it’s possible), cr.MK is really good against pokes where the opponent extends his lower body such as chuns cr.MP. far.MP is good as a counterpoke from midscreen against pokes like Boxers far.HK, far.HP and also good against s.HK happy Dudleys that think their s.HK is impossible to beat.

If you have trouble closing that last piece of distance you can try to predict a move and do the low EX strikes or a cr.MK xx HK Arrow as a whiffpunish. Even if he blocks it you’re at a decent amount of frame advantage (+7 or something if you hit them around their gutts) and this is where the fun begins. You’re close and you have frame advantage. I just assume you know how frametraps and throws work in SF4 (4 button teching, crouchtech etc) If you don’t know it, read it up.

There is 1 simple and safe way to figure out your opponents defensive patterns. Just do ~ 2 cr.LP’s and walk back and ask yourself these questions.

  • Did he tech ? Yes ? How late did he tech and what button did he use ?
    If he used cr.MP or cr.HP or cr.MK (e.g. Makoto) then you can be sure that hes teching with buttons to beat instant divekicks. What did we learn from this ? If you get close and you want to use EX dives be sure to do them a tad higher. What can you do to score a knockdown after you walked back ? After he whiffed something, lets say a cr.LK or any of his techs mentioned above, just walkup and backthrow him. Also if your throw attempt got interrupted be aware of how he interrupted it. Did he tech ? Did you get hit by another cr.LK ? You can force these scenarios again and punish his patterns.

  • Did he mash ?
    Yes ? Fuck yeah, cl.HP, far.HP xx HK arrow. 250 Dmg (USF4), that dude just lost a quarter of his life.
    No ? Well read the first paragraph again.

  • Did he standtech ?
    Probably not, but sometimes people prefer to standtech, especially if you’re at a range around Ryus cr.MP.
    If you hit them, you don’t get a counterhit which means you have to be on point with your combos and if you’re too close and your frametraps are too big you get thrown out of them.
    Predict standtechs and EX strike them. The next time you get close do cr.LP into EX strike or a safejump into EX strike etc.

  • Did he backdash ?
    If your opponent backdashes a lot you can just do 1 cr.LP and then walk forward and throw him once hes done backdashing or depending on how much blockstun you have you can do something different.
    After EX Strike on block (pretty lowish though) you can chain cr.LK’s. If he tries to backdash he gets hit by lows since it’s a true blockstring and in order to backdash he has to do the <- <- motion which is not crouchblocking.

  • Did he backjump / neutraljump ?
    If your opponent jumps out of your strings you can either try to tighten your strings or you smack them out of it with cl.HP (only neutraljumps or backjumps in the corner) If you want to be perfect then antiair them everytime they leave the ground with a Cannon Spike (Cammy DP).

Once you gathered enough information the next time you get close you can try to adapt. Lets say you figured out that hes doing delayed crouchtechs with cr.LK (most people will do).
If you want to frametrap your opponent you just need him to block a cr.LP After that you walk up a tiny bit and frametrap him with a cl.MP. You have to press the button a bit earlier than he would press his crouchtech in order to score a counterhit. Scored that counterhit ? Good confirm into cr.MP, cr.MK xx HK Arrow.

If your opponent is really good he might not tech on purpose or he won’t tech with cr.HP/cr.MP if you don’t have ex meter. The mindgames can get really deep at high level but that approach should be enough to net you basic understanding of how to open someone up.

Also important with Cammy is to confirm every hit into a combo which should lead to a knockdown. You hit a front divekick ? Confirm, a high damaging combo, if you can! You connect a cr.LK on his wakeup ?
Confirm too even if that one is just shitty damage (185) :stuck_out_tongue: !
Best way to practise this is to set the Dummy on randomguard and then try to do this.

cr.LK cr.LP

on block:

  • throw
  • walk back > walk forward > backthrow. After backthrow use setups like the one I posted below and repeat.
  • walk back > EX divekick
  • walkup cl.MP. If the walkup cl.MP / cl.HP hits you can combo into cr.MK xx HK Arrow.
  • EX strike, on hit try to confirm at least into cl.HP, cr.MK xx HK Arrow. However don’t use cr.HP, cr.MK xx HK arrow.

on hit:

  • confirm into far.HP xx HK Arrow
  • confirm into cr.MP xx HK Arrow.

choose one ^

If you want to boost your damage output you can only do one cr.LP and on hit confirm into cr.MP, cr.MK xx HK Arrow, and on block you can try to walkup throw, walk back > walk forward throw, walk back EX divekick etc.

Now something different. Cammys “vortex” as most people call it is almost non existent if you don’t use combos that leave you at a specific distance after HK Arrow. I don’t know the specific numbers on it against every character, but against Shotos (- Akuma) she wants to be 7 1/2 or 8 squares away from her opponent in order to crossup strike them after HK Arrow. The only practical combos against shotos that force the vortex are mentioned below.

  • cl.HP, far.HP xx HK Arrow
    USF4 BnB punisher, works on the whole cast if they’re standing except Rose, Sagat, Juri and I think 2 more) Learn this one, it will be essential at some point
  • cl.HP, cr.MK xx HK Arrow
    same distance as the combo above, add a jab before cl.HP and all crossup divekicks are gone
  • cl.MP, cr.MP xx HK Arrow
    (shitty damage, add a jab and crossup divekicks are gone)
  • cr.LK, cr.LP, far.HP xx HK Arrow
    optimal confirm
  • cr.LK cr.LP cr.MP xx HK Arrow
    only on point blank, can get inconsistent with crossup dives. This combo also works from further away if your opponent is crouching. If you’re not close enough then crossup strikes will be impossible (and j.LK unsafe).
  • cr.HP, cr.MK xx HK Arrow
    does not force that specific range and crossup divekicks are almost impossible after (your opponent has to delay quickstand and you have to time your divekick pretty weird)
    This combo is really suboptimal in USF4. It’s a 1 framer like cl.HP cr.MK but you don’t have oki afterwards. Don’t use this too much.

If you want to do a divekick that evades most reversals such as Ryus and Kens DP’s then try to do a MK Strike from about the ~12th jumping frame (including prejump). It’s like a 1/3 into your jump, you’re not too close to the peak though.

tThere are also combos that don’t force the okizeme (in most cases) but do a lot more damage which can be done mostly after divekicks which are:

EX strike into:

  • cl.MP cr.MP cr.MK xx HK Arrow (320 dmg)
  • cl.MP, cr.HP, cr.MK xx MK Arrow (320 dmg in usf4, 328 dmg now)
  • cl.HP, cr.MP, cr.MK xx HK Arrow (335 dmg)

After these you don’t have any divekicks unless you have your opponent cornered. They’re also characterspecific so you don’t need them yet I guess.
So what can you do afterwards ? Dash up and do cr.LK or cr.LP and start your offense from step 1 all over again. Or just block and punish their reversal if they mash etc.

aaaaand finally ! If you throw someone be sure to backthrow them. You don’t get safejumps off forward throw except against Guile.

One basic setup that works against almost everyone is this one:

You also have an easy safejump after backthrow against 5 frame reversals.

If you want to know the matchup specifics about Cammy check this thread but I didn’t update it yet for Ultra.


Once everything is done you might as well read up a few chapters of majs footsie handbook again.


Chapter 1
Chapter 2
Chapter 3
Chapter 6
Chapter 7

After that try to analyze where Xiaohai used certain tactics in this match.

Well thats it.

^^^^^ this here, THANK YOU. publish/sticky this joint.

Kinda writing a guide lately but it’s not even close to be done though.

Maybe in 2 months or something :stuck_out_tongue:

@shiroyasha : That’s some good stuff here, I never realized she was a walking wall destruction to her opponents!

I’m thinking about using Cammy too and that was a ton of awesome info, thanks.

I’m wondering about the Ultra transition, though; besides the on-paper changes, what changed significantly for Cammy? I know DWU hurts her gameplan, but what about other stuff? Does she use EX Red Focus well (I’m assuming no, bc that’s just EX Cannon Strike ammo going to waste), or UCD? Did any of her matchups change drastically?

Cammy looks fun as hell and seems like a good choice for a sub for a Rose main (or maybe I’ll main Cammy and sub Rose, idk) but I want to make sure stuff I learn from pre-Ultra vids are mostly applicable to Ultra.

Cammy has amongst the highest meter build in the game, she’s not afraid of using it.

Using her divekick has become pretty specific and she got a damage nerf. Sometimes she uses hooligan -> divekick instead of straight up divekick now. If you land a two hitting spiral arrow, fadc dash forward the first hit (regular fadc, not red), you are +4 and can use any close punch button to get a combo started.

W ultra seems useless because she only uses U2 in a handful of matchups.

Everyone should learn Shiroyashas new backthrow setups. They are DWU reactable and are ambiguous and ridiculous 0_0. On shotos and normal height characters:

backthrow, walk a full step ish (kind of walk up to the characters head) , whiff st.lk (if you get close st.lk you’ve walked too far so practice this), jump early hk strike xup/ or mk strike non xup. Great setup as the hk strike will make DPs whiff if you walk the correct distance. If they DWU then you can see the technical during the st.lk and hit st.lp to kill 11 frames.

Also the xup strikes after cannon strike are pretty risky now =/ but you can still make them xup. Just realize that if they block a xup strike then you are -4 to -7 ish from the cannon strike setups. Also those hooligan strike setups are VERY difficult to combo on hit I wouldn’t try to go for those until you are very familiar with playing cammy and are very confident in your timing.

on hit:

  • confirm into far.HP xx HK Arrow
  • confirm into cr.MP xx HK Arrow.

I got this so far.

I tried to move on to c.lk, c.lp, c.mp, hk spiral arrow. What else should I learn? Learning slowly… I don’t know her footsie tools. But if someone could point them out that would be great.

Cammy has a normal for almost every situation. They can also be used kinda differently or not at all but thats how I use my stuff.

s.LP: midscreen walkup pressure tool. Sometimes I would just hit these from max range and if they hit link into cr.MK xx HK Arrow off a single hit. I do it a lot against characters that are slow or dont have a fireball like Makoto, Sim, Ibuki etc. It’s also an okish tool to antiair divekicks but I prefer to DP on reaction. It’s mostly safer and does WAY more damage.

far.MP: good counterpoke. It reaches crouching Vega during his cr.MK / cr.MP recovery from max range. Also good against buttons like Balrogs far.HP and far.HK from max range. If you put balrog into the corner and you hang out at max range you can whiffpunish his far reachings pokes with it into LK Arrow (and juggle with DP but only if you hit him with the tip of LK Arrow). It’s a good tool to blow up counterpokes from max range imo.
It even wins against Dudleys s.HK

cr.MK: your usual cr.MK, good button, not as good as a shotos cr.MK but still really reliable. I use it more than cr.MP in combos due to it’s range. Other than that it has pretty much the same purpose than any other cr.MK.

cr.MP: a really good counterpoke even if it doesn’t look like that on the first look. It beats Vegas cr.MP from max range, Balrogs cr.MP/cr.MK from max range, Feis cr.MP from max range etc. I usually use it when I want to beat a button from max range that is really hard to whiffpunish.

far.HK: can be used as a zoning tool to keep out grapplers and bait them into focus attacks or jumpins. If they start focusing you can use far.MP xx HK Arrow and if they start jumping just DP them.
I use it more like a fireball because it’s so slow. Besides a baiting tool it’s also really good as a cr.MK/sweep whiffpunish against shotos or a whiffpunish against pokes with huge recovery.
Don’t abuse it too much though. You just need to know that if you use this button a lot your opponent (if he is decent) will mostly change his playstyle.
You need to adapt accordingly otherwise you’re getting punished really hard. Don’t whiff this move. If you throw it out it should reach your opponent. Block or hit doesn’t matter too much as long as it doesn’t get whiffpunished.

far.MK: never found too much use for this to be honest. It’s a good button but the other buttons are just way better.

cr.LK xx HK Arrow: kinda like Codys cr.LK xx MK Ruffian. I should use it more against shoto cr.MK’s but I don’t really do it yet. Another use for this is to bait people into whiffpunishing. It recovers faster than a cr.MK and if they sweep and you block it you get a free ultra (E/Ryu).

Max Range MK Arrow: If people try too hard to play footsies and never crouch during footsies I like to throw them out once in a while. If you space them correctly they’re safe.
It can be good to make your opponent hesitate for a moment. Don’t rely on it too much though. If you can’t space it properly it’s REALLY unsafe.

The general gameplan as I said would be moving forward because you can’t do too much from midscreen. Footsies kinda evolve once both players walk forward and try to hit themselves.
If your opponent doesn’t do that he will eventually corner himself which means he has to press buttons at some point (because he can’t walk back anymore) otherwise you will be all over him and that is where you start getting damage.

quick question: i get the setup spacing on the spiral arrow combos listed above, is this info still good for the cannon spike nerfs in ultra? I can’t get to seem to get anything to combo even if the move hits. Advice?

Yeah it is. cl.HP, far.HP xx HK arrow and cl.HP, cr.MK xx HK Arrow leave Cammy at proper spacing to crossup Strike her opponent. If you want to combo you need to hit them properly.
It was easier in AE 2012. If you need a video reference check this.

They should usually hit around the waist area.

shiro you are a one man delta strike force. mission commence!

Will take this to heart, cant wait to get my hands on Ultra when its finally out on PC!

man… this would help out so many new people coming to street fighter.

All i ever wanted for a guide to do was to fully label what the possible choices a person can do on rise, and what i can do to counter them.

Thanks so much for this man

all these videos are private :’(

please un private the vids? Awesome awesome post

I second that motion

Anyone on here on ps3 and want to train?

I’m so tired at sucking at cammy.