Well i don’t see him rising from the grave after getting a 1 mile size hole blown in his chest courtesy of the Clone Thor.
Would be cool to see his nephew take up the mantle.
lol.
I could actually see Joe Q saying that on a panel to some uber nerds.
I was just thinking about how incredibly difficult having ANY sort of continuity over a long period of time with however many different writers with however many new characters.
The fact that the characters basically have the same powers is pretty amazing.
Of course I really love it if both Marvel and DC took one year and just fucked continuity and let creators do whatever they wanted. See which company could produce the best single stories/runs. Call it the What if?/Elseworlds face off or something.
The sheer amount of stories/concepts that can be done with the massive catalog of characters each company possesses is immense. This is all a dream though, a dream that would of course revitalize the comics form as we know it, but a dream none the less.
The two company’s need to have a friendly rivalry, more contests and little fights and stuff.
So yeah, I am totally off topic now, Hal Jordan’s paralax thing being explained totally in about four issues shows just how great of a writer Johns can be when he wants to.
The worse retcons are characters who never die and DC constantly trying to bring back the Crisis. Stop it DC.
WHat happened to Hypertime?
Marvel doesn’t do quite as much retconning, do they?
I mean, in recent times, stuff has been more “ignored” than written out of existence. The Sentry is one example. The Sentry had that whole “forced-to-forget” thing going for him but then he just randomly shows up in New Avengers and everyone remembers him but they don’t really acknowledge anything and he was regarded as the strongest hero of em all, but was simply never mentioned before and never fought any badguys.
Then you have stuff like the House of M, which started out as this big thing, but there’s no real sign it ever happened outside the Endangered Species side-story, which may or may not have a lasting effect, since none of the X-Men lost their powers, and the ones that did got them back.
Then there’s the writers bringing back and killing characters. How many times has Aunt May died? Or Elektra?
And how many deaths will be chalked up to the skrulls? Are we gonna see Gwen Stacy, Elektra, Cap, Nomad, the original Human Torch, Copycat and the Punisher’s family all come back cuz they weren’t really dead, it’s just that the Skrulls abducted them and then the skrull substitute died?
Marvel doesn’t retcon stuff. They just figure out a way so that nothing changes. Ever.
You’re damn right it is.
i thought geoff johns version with ancient egyptains, alien technology and dat tragic love story were great
Okay, I will give Geoff Johns the credit he deserves for untangling the clusterfuck that was Hawkman’s continuity.
but seriously, Rebirth sucked, I’m sorry, but it did.
Even if you favor the outcome (the return of Hal Jordan), that story fucking sucked, and you gotta admit it.
i thought it was dumb too, like a nichloas cage movie. i dont think anyone was happy (cept you taichi) with the whole “lol well hal jordan is back again…SURFS UP!!1” then shows the whole DC universe at the beach surfing. even batman with his arms crossed
i still sorta enjoyed it though. maybe i should check it out again
I don’t hate Hal Jordan, I just don’t care about him either.
he’s a fearless test pilot, who can’t create anything with his ring but green boxing gloves.
that got boring thirty years ago, the FIRST time they cancelled his title.
the character has no depth, no weakness (even the color yellow was a shitty weakness).
you wanna make an interesting character?, give me a guy who’s invulnerable and can fly, but is TERRIFIED of heights (I once proposed a character like that a long time ago, and was told that it wouldn’t be realistic, because those two powers would preclude a fear, to which I replied “That’s why it’s called an IRRATIONAL fear”.)
people never understand me, or my tastes, lol.
Regardless, my apathy towards the whole Hal thing (and Rebirth as a whole), it did herald the return of the corps, so I can’t judge the outcome harshly (though I still think the story is a fucking shitstain, that will stink up the DCU for sometime to come [I refer to the Deus Ex Machina Fear Bug])
errr wasnt the leader of the aerial bots that exact character? me and my friends would joke about how he was apart of the gay transformers clique like bumble bee (one of my favourites) that robot who couldnt even transform into a vehicle. that nigga had to run when optimus said roll out, and that robot who came out of optimus prime’s trailer. anyway, guy gardner was always my favourite gl
ok going off topic now. will leave it at that
CO-sign with these.
Seriously, my favorite hero in the DC universe was Hal Jordan. But rebitrth sucked big time. I still can’t believe that the whole mess wasn’t his fault because it was the fault of a stupid virus. Are you kidding me? He isn’t a fucking god, Hal Jordan is a human with the most powerful weapon in the universe. He has a breaking piont, and what does a fucking guy do when he has reached his breaking point? You go blow things and fuck people up. That was Hal Jordan. I was hoping DC make Jordan seek redemption for what he did, because everybody fucks up if they got over their breaking point.
It’s not a stupid virus…
I don’t like Hal Jordan anymore…
no, the biggest and lamest retcon in ANYTHING ever: Fanboyism.
of which DC Editorial is chock-full of.
Seriously, Alex Ross weilds too much editorial pull at the moment.
I thought it was the WRITER’S job to tell stories and guide the direction of the characters, NOT the artist.
Really? Wow. I, too, thought telling the story was the writer’s job.
I suppose EIC’s can have a hand in the outcome of some stories. Joe Q is drawing the art for Spider-Man: One More day. I enjoyed the first issue but if I find out Joe Q had a hand in f’ing up the Spiderverse, I’m going to use his head as my new bowling ball. Joe Q has been against Peter and MJ’s marrage since day one. Just let them be Joe Q. He’s a fine artists but sometimes I think Marvel would be better off without him being the EIC.
if you can write AND draw, I’m a bit more forgiving, but really…Ross can’t write, or draw (he can paint, but he doesn’t follow any established look for the characters, he draws them HIS way, and flat-out refuses to draw certain characters AT ALL.)
Hall of Justice in Justice League?
KC Supes, and Starman in Justice Society?
Red Arrow?
Red Robin?
it’s gotta stop.
it’s not like he created these characters, he’s just changing 'em to leave his ‘mark’ on them.
It’s Arsenal and Red Hood, dammit.
if you want to create your own characters, FINE, I’m all about that, but don’t go changing ones that you didn’t, just so you can leave your legacy.
oh, and it’s not 1975, nobody thinks the Superfriends is cool.
come to think of it, some DC fans regard it as a joke.
no, Mr. Ross, most of us do, it seems just you regard it as more than it is…
we get it, you didn’t have any friends (couldn’t be that personality of yours, could it?), so you turned to superheroes.
some of us did, and we’d thank you to leave OUR heroes well enough alone.
lol, preach it man, I hate Alex Ross now too.
Fucking uber nerd.
Aw, come now, aren’t we all nerds at some point? 
Man, and I thought John Byrne got hated on.
As for the GL Rebirth series, well that just goes to show that no matter how good the writer, no one is infallable. I love Loeb/Sale’s collaborations but I didn’t think Superman For All Season was anything special.
Johns is a fantastic writer, I don’t hate him at all (even though he ruined my favorite character).
I forgive him several slights, because he IS so fucking good.
You guys are aware of the scope of things Johns did with Rebirth, right? Actually giving a reason as to why Yellow was an impurity was fucking smart as hell. How lame was it that a Green Lantern could get his ass kicked by a guy with a bottle of mustard?
Yeah, that’s what I thought.
On top of that, the scope that Johns has brought to the entire Green Lantern mythos is quite impressive. I think some of you guys are missing that Rebirth is really just the start of restarting the Green Lantern Corps, and setting up all kinds of cool shit (Did you see the stuff about the Red Rings?) for the future.
Johns nullifying what happened with Hal Jordan was some really creative writing. You guys are the first people I’ve met that don’t like the story, or can’t appreciate just how impressive that “retcon” was. Most retcons are done because people can’t write interesting stories based around something that happened previously and a stupid conclusion is come to in order to make new stories possible. Johns went in the opposite direction and wrote something that opens up a whole SLEW of story telling possibilities while taking away the blemish of what happened to Hal Jordan.
And have any of you actually READ Green Lantern since this happened? It’s not like the entire Green Lantern Corps is going “YAAAAAAAAAAY HAL JORDAN!” Mad folks distrust him, and what he did gets referenced QUITE a bit.
so what WAS the reason Yellow was able to beat the green lanterns? (I don’t read DC, but I know the basics at least…)