Labwork: Tests, results, discoveries

my only regret is that I missed the cl.hk to cr.mp 1frame link. :slight_smile:

Very cool :slight_smile:

Instead of cr. MP to Flip you can do st. MP to MP Palm, for a 4-hit combo.

I’ve just recently seen a fellow player reliably using it, and it’s gotten me convinced to start practicing it too :slight_smile: It’s just a little tricky in the start to avoid the overhead, though.

this ^^^^^^

once I figured out how the ufk to use it , it became quite the fun…

who else here is having this frametrapping of the softwares?

I have begun the recordings of the inputs for others to downloading

That close hk into mp or cr lk is one frame link and its super hard and super space dependant…

plus I think the added difficulty in that situation is the crossup situation, had it been on the front side it would have been as hard still, just easier since that’s how its practiced in training mode im sure, muscle memory etc.

I think a better substitution following cl hk would have been far mp> lk flip, but that’s all armchair quarterback talk im doing.

What makes me like it is that we get a glimpse at how effective flip throw is from cr mp off blockstun as a mind game at that point.

Great spot for it there Arti , you caught his srk mashing derptastic

cr.mp xx flip worked because i’ve trained him to look for cr.mp xx lp.fb. He was attempting to fadc thru the fireball that never came.

Word nice.

I’ve got some input scripts now put together via frame trapped if anyone wants to import some shit over to their side

I joined the club today =)

The last match I fought wasn’t especially hard, but the ones leading up to it were ridiculous. Like a full gauntlet of 3k+ PP Rose and Oni players ><

OMG I put this in the wrong thread. Well, whatever.

Some data I gathered for personal use that might be helpful to others: BNB from jab compatibility list, using as little meter as possible

bnbs from cr.LP vs standing:
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cr.LP st.LK cr.LP x Heavy Tatsu for every character except El Fuerte*
cr.LP, st.LK, cs.MK x HK Tatsu or MP Palm for El Fuerte

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bnbs from cr.LP vs crouching
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cr.LP st.LK cr.LP x MK Tatsu

Makoto
Dudley
Poison
El Fuerte
T. Hawk (far distances)

cr.LP st.LK cr.LP x HK Tatsu

Seth (can also use cr.LP, st.LK, cs.MK x MP Palm)
Gouken
Gen
Abel
Sagat
Dee Jay (can also use cr.LP, st.LK, cs.MK x MP Palm)
Hakan
Rolento
Zangief
Boxer
Fei Long
T. Hawk (close distances)
Hugo

cr.LP cr.LP cr.LP x HK Tatsu (cannot use st.LK variant)

Guile

cr.LP, st.LK, cs.MK x MP Palm

Seth (can also use cr.LP st.LK cr.LP x HK Tatsu)
Dee Jay (can also use cr.LP st.LK cr.LP x HK Tatsu)
Dan
Sakura
Juri
El Fuerte* (standing; notable as this is the only cast member that can be hit by this combo standing)

cr.LP, st.LK, cr.LP x EX Tatsu (use meter, LP palm, or do chain instead)

Decapre
Ryu
Ken
E. Honda
Ibuki
Oni
Elena
Yun
Chun Li
Dhalsim
C. Viper
Dictator
Cammy
Cody
Guy
Evil Ryu
Blanka
Rufus
Claw
Adon
Rose
Yang

Nice list

I’ve got a few lists of my own…

Cl.HP->Hado->FADC-Cl.HP:
Not Juri, Chun-Li, Guile, Rufus, Rose, Hakan, Hugo

EX Palm -> HK Tatsu:
Not Sakura, Guy, Deejay, Dhalsim, Juri, El Fuerte, Vega, Adon, Hugo

EX Palm -> EX Tatsu:
Not Adon, Hugo

Cl./Cr. HP -> HK Tatsu:
Ryu, Ken, Ibuki, Dudley, Seth, Gen, Sakura, Poison, Rolento, Hakan, Cody, Cammy, Sagat, Bison, Viper, Abel, Dhalsim,
Chun-Li, Juri, Evil Ryu, Zangief, Rufus, El Fuerte, T. Hawk, Adon, Yang, Hugo

Cl. HP -> HK Tatsu:
Decapre, Akuma, Oni, Yun,

Jump frames:
Forward jump;
empty: 35
LP: 50
MP: 50
HP: 50
LK: 43
MK: 47
HK: 58
Dive kick: 34

Neutral jump;
empty: 35
LP: 50
MP: 54
HP: 50
LK: 44
MK: 44
HK: 52

I recommend getting the “FA Tool” app for iPhone, and plotting in stuff like this into the Match-Up Notes.

Good job guys!!

EX Palm -> EX Tatsu
Works on Adon and Hugo, I’m 99% sure it works on the entire cast.

Cl.HP -> HK Tatsu
Works on Rose and Blanka but the timing and spacing is more specific.

Cr. HP -> HK Tatsu
Works on Vega but again has specific spacing and timing.

Cr.MP->HK Tatsu (255 Damage, 300 Stun)
Works on: Honda, Makoto, Deejay, Guy, Guile, Vega, Fei Long
This is the best damage punish for characters that Cl.HP -> HK Tatsu whiffs on as far as I know, other than Vega which is Cr. HP -> HK Tatsu but it’s weird to try and land so I don’t know if it’s practical for one matchup.

Cl.P>MK Tatsu (255 Damage, 375 Stun)
Works on: Makoto, Deejay, Guile, Vega, Rose
Does not work: Honda, Guy, Blanka, Fei Long
This does more stun but it doesn’t cover everyone that Cl.HP -> HK Tatsu whiffs on.

Could you post a video where it works against those two? Because I tested it extensively before I put the list together, so if you’re just going to say you’re 99% sure it works on the entire cast, then a video would definitely persuade me better. :slight_smile:

Huh? Cr. MP to HK Tatsu works on all characters. It’s the universal best-punish if HP to HK Tatsu won’t work.

Cr.mp hk tatsu will whiff at range on many characters.

“At range”? Wow, get back on topic, mate.

With that logic, cr. HP to EX Palm ain’t valid either.

Wow!

Cr.MP->HK Tatsu is the best in general for characters that Cl.HP -> HK Tatsu but if you want more stun you can do Cl.HP>MP Tatsu which is 255 damage, 375 stun. This works on at least Makoto, Deejay, Guile, Vega, Rose, and this does not work on Honda, Guy, Blanka, Fei Long.

As far as EX Palm -> EX Tatsu goes I would suggest just trying it a few more times, I went into training mode and hit both Adon and Hugo. I’ll test it on the whole cast later tonight.

Especially crouching opponents, Such as Ken…

Why am I off topic? You are practicing and posting a punish (a 5 frame punish…LMFAO!) that only works at optimal range but saying its universal. When used to punish -5 frame moves, a lot of those create a decent gap between you and the character. That’s why its ON topic. Cr.mp pushes back too much to be a safe cancel into hk tatsu on a large amount of moves. Now you need to redo your list to explain the moves you can punish with it. The fuck, man. I ain’t new here.

And Cr.hp to hk tatsu is not valid for the same damn reasons. It whiffs on even more people due to push back and reeling animation. This is old fucking news but you think you discovered something. On top of it, you have the nerve to be rude to ME? Because I added VALID wisdom. Bro, you’re not helping anyone. Damn.