If you hold forward after your nj.hp you can combo into both hits of cl.st.hk on Rose, Ibuki, Chun, and Cammy.
Rose is like Dee Jay.
And has anyone messed around with crossup mk > cl.st.hk > sweep combos? I know it works on Rose ,Ken ,Ryu, Evil Ryu, and Cammy.
Do u mean cl.st.hk? Couldn’t get cl.st.mk to work on chun. Also you can just do cl.st.hk >sweep on Chun and Rose with no jumpin.
Need video evidence of cl.st.mk to sweep. It is +2 on hit and sweep is 6 frame startup. Even if you got counterhit (which you didn’t cause you said you jump attacked first) you’d still be a frame short and be depending on hitting on the last active frame of cl.st.mk to get that sweep.
No, but I will as soon as I get a chance.
I didnt know the frame data , I know it seems like it aint supposed to happen. Im using a similar jump in HP setup I used for some of the dj.HP>cl.st.mp>cl.st.mp combos I listed earlier. I think it may have to do with the way the opponent hit box can be pulled towards us on hit with attacks such as dj.hk and dj.hp. Im still looking into it…
I have a feeling this nj.HP>cl.mk>sweep and cl.mk>far mk worked only because the characters have moving hitboxes/sprites and may have created some sort of anomaly allowing this to happen the few instances that it did based on when I started my sequence…
Back on the hunt in training …
If it really did work, that’s the exact sort of thing you should be trying to figure out. You would need 4 extra frames to to get a sweep to combo and 5 for far.st.mk.
At best you can get 1 extra frame for +3 on hit by manipulating which active frame it (close st.mk) hits on.
I don’t believe it worked but if it did, and you figured out how to make it work or even provided proof, that would be something anyone interested in the game engine (not even interested in Gouken) would probably drool all over to figure out. Adding 3 or 4 extra frames on hit is game changing.
It’s the difference between old cl.st.mp and new cl.st.mp.
When I find something I post a video so long as it doesn’t require editing.
Something like you just said, being able to hit confirm off of light attacks…
Again, this goes against what the game engine says is possible.
You need to post a video of it. I’m the only one saying it but not one is going to go into training and spend any more then 5 minutes trying to recreate this because the game engine says it is not possible and there is no proof other than your word.
If you say something is possible that common knowledge says is not, are we asking too much by asking for proof?
You said you did the cl.mk > sweep at least 3 times… So pull out your phone and show it, I don’t mind being wrong.
Now you say you can link specials off of lights. You’d be the Gouken forum hero if you showed these guys they had a light attack hit confirm, that’s on about 75% of the requests in the request thread.
Why do you need cap equipment? Use a cell phone, use any number of devices these days that comes with video recording capability, borrow something.
I’m not sure what your controller has to do with being able to do j.hp >cl.st.mk > sweep. If it says 3 hit combo it says 3 hit combo. Same goes for multiple light attacks into EX tatsu.
I don’t owe you anything for asking for proof of things that are theoretically impossible in the game engine. The burden is on you.
You claim to have made a combo where there exists a 4 frame gap and you claim to have been able to combo out of chained lights. Why do I owe you anything for asking proof of this?
If I claimed I could make Ultra 1 combo off of crouching fierce I’m sure people would want evidence.
When people discovered unblockables they post evidence of it, when they discover bugs, they post evidence.
Why are you taking it so personal that I want evidence of this?
I don’t even want to discuss this shit anymore. You are saying you can do things that are theoretically impossible within the game engine – I’m surprised I’m the only one asking for evidence.
I’d love to see anyone capture this stuff.
Please test for me takin, I can test it myself!
Not sure if that is directed at me, but I don’t need to go to the lab to figure out that a move that is +2 on hit is not going to link to a move that is 6 or 7 frames startup, and if it is, it won’t be by any conventional method that I could just “test”. Adding 4 to 5 frames of advantage to any move on hit would be gamebreaking if it could be applied to all moves.
Furthermore, it’s pretty damn common knowledge that you can’t cancel chained light attacks into specials ala the light attacks into EX tatsu he lists above. I suppose I could go test this out with the knowledge that the game engine doesn’t allow it. I could sit there for an hour trying it, wasting my time, time I don’t have, just to be certain he isn’t making shit up… or he could post a video.
Why the fuck do I have to be the one to prove something is not possible? Prove it is.
After backthrow, if you push left right left right lp lk lk lp and hit select it removes the 1 gray pixel from backthrow and Ultra does 700 damage.
If you do EX palm and then FADC and push down three times denjin wall bounces off the air hit. You have to push down three times a certain way though.
I have no evidence other then the fact I did it 5 times.
smh…
What do you want me to say to that? I commented. I don’t believe it until I see it. And no, I’m not going to go into training mode and waste an hour trying to do that combo. If that were true, you’d have a technique named after you. That’s your reward. Discovering a way around chains not cancelling. You are putting it in here as fact with no evidence. That bothers me because people look here for information. I look here for information. Is that so hard to understand?
As far as I know none of that you list up there is possible. lp > lp >lp palm is impossible for the same reason 6 light attacks followed by EX tatsu is impossible.
Our light attacks all give +3 on hit and our light attacks all start up in 4 or more frames, meaning you can never link them. You can only chain them (rapid fire them). You cannot cancel an attack that has been chained into a special. Ken can do c.lp > c.lp > c.lp xx SRK cause he chains the first two and he can link the last c.lp because c.lp gives more frame advantage on hit then it has startup.
Desk wouldn’t be desk without his videos. Videos = evidence. Go tell desk about your findings then and let him put it into video.
Not even remotely the same thing. Nowhere in the game data or system does it say that this would be impossible. It’s also ridiculously easy to test.
Some guy up above tried your cl.st.mk to sweep and it failed. What say you? I’ll try it tonight and it will fail. Then what? What if 10 people try it and it fails? Are we all still wrong? You gonna provide some evidence then? We just gonna keep going back and forth that it is possible cause you said so?
So you posting shit that is basically impossible means I should take it at face value? I am discussing this RIGHT NOW. I am discussing the fact that if you are going to say hey look I do this shit that the game system says is impossible, we need proof. What the fuck do you want me to discuss?
Oh hey cool bro, you broke the game, it doesn’t work for me or anyone else that has been playing Gouken (or any character for that matter since overcoming a 5 frame gap in attacks is ridiculous) but you said it does so let’s talk about it like it is reality. Is that what you want me to say? ALL I AM ASKING FOR IS PROOF. When I said I found an unblockable I FUCKING POSTED A VIDEO.
This is not about Flash, some random pro or inspirational speeches.
Whatever dude. Sure, you can do it. This is not a thread for theories. You are not putting forth theoretical discussion. You are saying you ACTUALLY did something. This is for DISCOVERIES. I’m an asshole cause I want proof.
I’m done. I don’t give a fuck what you post. Post whatever gibberish you want, I’m not responding from here on out. This is beyond fucking retarded. You’re doing everything you can to dodge giving evidence including going off on different discussions. It’s really fucking simple.
The guy above said you could sweep Chun after a cl.st.hk and I did it no problem. I’ll let someone else take up your stuff and test it out.
Takin, I think you are ignoring your own obligation to respect others. Take a look at who started many of the MU threads, who started this thread, the stickied move set thread. It was Reipin. He has personal investment in keeping information sound as he has invested his time in creating some semblance of order in this sub forum.
As a Gouken neophyte, and someone that wants to learn but isn’t up to dissecting the game engine, and pouring over frame data, I would appreciate people not posting nonsense that can’t be replicated.
Burden of proof fallacy…
A poster can’t say
poster 1: Gouken has a shun goku satsu-esque 0 frame grab.
poster 2: No he doesn’t
poster 1: Just because you’ve never seen it doesn’t mean it’s not there, you have to prove to me that gouken doesn’t have a shun goku satsu.
poster 2: wut?
The burden of proof is on takinflight since he’s making the assertion that you can combo off of lights. You can’t special cancel a fucking chain, dumbass. Rather than continue with the dumb shit, try it out yourself, record yourself with a camera phone and fail to replicate it so you can concede the argument already. Jesus H Christ. Stop poisoning the well.
LOL…same shit different day. glad to see nothin has changed around here
Couldn’t you technically link 2 lp’s if you could get the first lp to hit on the second active frame? Wouldn’t it work like counter hit lp> lp> lp palm?
Yes, technically you can. You would need to send them into a reeling animation first though for it to be even remotely viable. It would also be character specific.
You’re not going to walk up to someone in a match and wait for their sway animation to go a certain way before hitting them with lp.
You shouldn’t be able to sweep Chun after a cl.st.hk since it is +5 on hit, but I assume she recoils in a weird way after the first hit of that attack that makes the second hit land on a later frame allowing for more frame advantage.
You again?
On a different subject, I’m going to record a video of that slide takin mentioned. It’s not game breaking, but it’s useful. Give me 1 hour and a half til I get home.