The article contains six pages of juicy match up info, shame it’s all in Japanese
I’m willing to pay for a translation
How much?
Btw, trust me I’ve played against and watched enough Elena to know how uninteresting she is.
Players are the ones who make it uninteresting or not. I’ve also watched a lot of boring Chun’s for instance, doesn’t imply the character itself is boring.
Tyokkin, a japanese EL player in Tokyo just gave me his opinion on this set. I quote him :
“Nothing is wrong with Kuroda’s move. I always caught and killed in the corner by AL, but his EL’s dashing is so good.Have to learn.” (Tweet 1)
“and his move is best whether selected SA is 3 or not. EL players must see this vid at least 5 times” (Tweet 2)
Some people like black licorice. Enjoy.
Useless point as black licorice itself.
My point is I can have an opinion just like you can. Welcome to the Internet.
Useless point as black licorice itself.
Never understood the Elena hate coming from Ryan, especially as he’s a Chun player.
Come on, Elena’s got 2 command normal overheads! That’s infinity times more than Chun has, and therefore makes her infinite times more saucy. Plus she’s got fun little juggle combos which don’t require a full super stocked to use. I think she’s neat.
Don’t really get why people are butt hurt that people dislike or are disinterested in elena. this can’t be breaking news after 15 years lol.
if you guys like her then that’s fine. The rest of us aren’t forced to find her interesting or like the character.
While I’m not on the Elena hate bandwagon (I even mained her for a while before settling with Urien, but that was like 2003 lol) I can understand while she’s disliked. She just not well designed. Loads of so-so moves that can’t get much use, the best non-cancellable normal in the game -b+HK-, a great kara-throw, no real low game so having 864563 overheads is pointless, expecially in this engine - at least sf4 Elena has raw Mallet as an actual legit tool.
That b+HK / kara throw game just makes her incredibly dull to play against for most characters, even if they have the advantage. Still have to finish watching the Kuroda vs Genki set, but it’s not incredibly interesting due to the above reasons really.
Good Elena specialist are so rare to come by though, that I don’t mind watching them when they come up in a big tournament. At least she has some interesting character specific juggles, and I actually enjoy watching Elena vs shotos and twins. Against every other character it’s a snoozefest though.
hey man, don’t dog on black licorice until you try dutch drop >:)
The most annoying thing about Elena is her stage. Should’ve been Ryu’s stage without the sunset replaced by a dark lightning atmosphere.
Any time I feel like playing Elena, I think “what if I got super good, and went to Tokyo and had to play on CPS3 and had to go to that blinding sunset stage 30 times a day?” and that thought makes me sad, so I don’t use her. Is that a stupid reason? Sure, but I have no discipline, so I’ll take it.
I liked Elena in SF4 for the week or so I bothered with it. EX Lynx into Ultra is cool.
Also, as much as I have no say in the tiers debate, I can’t fathom how Necro could ever be that good. I’ve tried to use him a little bit, but even though I kinda like him, it seems like his only halfway decent damage options are crazy slow / have stupid hitboxes. Damage isn’t everything, but it’s pretty important; it’s not like he has crazy unblockable setups or anything like that. I rarely see Necro play in the videos I watch, and even less commonly see a Necro win. Evidence to the contrary would be neat.
You have to note that everyone from Urien downwards is average-or-worse (avg: 89.9pts)
Kuroda gives him 9 even MUs, and 2 unfavourables (Chun/Ken).
necro is a fucking animal if he can corner the opponent.
he goes from being annoying to scary.
just because you don’t see him often win doesn’t mean he isn’t good.
that can mean many things.
kuroda chart actually follows pretty much what i put up as an idea in the art thread (which i peaced on due to life… need to try and do a few things for that idea). there’s really just 3 groupings in the end. you’re either at some kind of notable advantage, more or less equal, or some kind of notable disadvantage. everything else is just splitting hairs because humans like seeing ‘7/3’ instead of ‘advantage’. STATS.
none of that is surprising based on previous discussions here in the last couple years and translated comments from guys like pierrot, rikimaru, etc.
With the color pallete mod it’s b&w
Yeah I hate when people hit random just because the chance of getting that stage.
I’m either random or Hong Kong. Love that theme