KOF XIV General Discussion - King of Fighters XIV Arcade Ver. Burn 2 Fight cabinets from Taito!

[Monkey66]

Honestly the graphics are getting better every next trailer. They still aren’t amazing but they aren’t as bad as some mke it out to be.

I think with the huge cast the game is getting there isn’t enough time (or money) for amazing graphics. Tbh I’d much rather have a big diverse cast with lots of variety and barely decent graphics then amazing graphics with very few characters to choose from. Especially if the game is KOF (I already got SF5 and MKX for that)

[Foolinfection]

To me the biggest turn off with kofXIII was the online being so terrible. No amount of practice could make you good enough to do those combos online.

[Mangy_Cat]

The game is looking so much better now. And that new stage is looking great. Can’t wait for PSX. Hype is on.

[Zephyrus21]

I’m against making the inputs easier just because it’s never done for a valid reason. Making the game more accessible is not a valid reason, and that might sound elitist or whatever, but the simple fact of the matter is making inputs easier doesn’t make the game more accessible in a meaningful way. The argument that casuals don’t play fighting games because the inputs are too hard is flawed as hell. Skullgirls made everything quarter circles and DP’s reducing the execution barrier of special moves drastically. How many casuals still play SG? NONE. It didn’t do anything for the longevity of the game. How many casuals are still playing Rising Thunder? I’d wager not many. Those kinds of changes just don’t work. The reason casuals don’t play fighting games isn’t because they’re too hard, it’s because they take practice and casuals aren’t interested in practice. It doesn’t matter how simple you make the inputs, if the game itself isn’t simple it’s still getting dropped. I have yet to see any game actually be successful at casual retention through executional difficulty. Simply put, that isn’t the problem.

Except to you the problem will always be the players that don’t play so there is no FIXING THE PROBLEM.

There’s no way to get casuals to play, not that you want them to, and stay around. KoF is what it is at this point. There’s no changing it.

I’d love if people played the game and stuck around. I’m always making negative posts in this thread because people DON’T. My point is that making the inputs easier won’t make people stick around so there’s no point in changing them, that just makes it more confusing to people who have been playing the series up until now. There’s no good reason to change them.

repulsive. Of course there’s good reason. If you make the inputs more accessible, more people will stick around which can only grow the popularity of the series.

But like always, there’s this group of people who wants the game to stay hard just because they can feel better about themselves. I got KOF XIII and I didn’t play it for long. The difficulty curve and general input difficulty turned me off. I watched pros play, but I didn’t play the game. The input barrier was too big for me and I simply didn’t want to spend my time getting over it. It just wasn’t fun.

Pretty damn sure there are a lot more like me.

Inputs have never made someone stick around and you are lying to yourself if you think they will. I have no patience for someone who refuses to put in effort into something and then dismisses it entirely. There is nothing in XIII that is too hard to do, there is nothing that you aren’t capable of doing, all you have to do is practice, and if you don’t want to practice I don’t have time for you.

You don’t? K, bye.
I also don’t have patience and time for people who are too dense to see the problem. Execution heavy games are not fun. I don’t want nor should I need to put hours of practice into a character just to be average with him/her. It’s not fun.

Want a perfect example how execution heavy characters turn people off? Barely no one played Vega (claw) in SF4. The character was a chore to play and you had to get ridiculously good at execution with him just to stand a chance against others. In sf5? Vega’s one of the better and more fun characters. Guess why?

[CaptainGinyu]

I’m against making the inputs easier just because it’s never done for a valid reason. Making the game more accessible is not a valid reason, and that might sound elitist or whatever, but the simple fact of the matter is making inputs easier doesn’t make the game more accessible in a meaningful way. The argument that casuals don’t play fighting games because the inputs are too hard is flawed as hell. Skullgirls made everything quarter circles and DP’s reducing the execution barrier of special moves drastically. How many casuals still play SG? NONE. It didn’t do anything for the longevity of the game. How many casuals are still playing Rising Thunder? I’d wager not many. Those kinds of changes just don’t work. The reason casuals don’t play fighting games isn’t because they’re too hard, it’s because they take practice and casuals aren’t interested in practice. It doesn’t matter how simple you make the inputs, if the game itself isn’t simple it’s still getting dropped. I have yet to see any game actually be successful at casual retention through executional difficulty. Simply put, that isn’t the problem.

Except to you the problem will always be the players that don’t play so there is no FIXING THE PROBLEM.

There’s no way to get casuals to play, not that you want them to, and stay around. KoF is what it is at this point. There’s no changing it.

I’d love if people played the game and stuck around. I’m always making negative posts in this thread because people DON’T. My point is that making the inputs easier won’t make people stick around so there’s no point in changing them, that just makes it more confusing to people who have been playing the series up until now. There’s no good reason to change them.

repulsive. Of course there’s good reason. If you make the inputs more accessible, more people will stick around which can only grow the popularity of the series.

But like always, there’s this group of people who wants the game to stay hard just because they can feel better about themselves. I got KOF XIII and I didn’t play it for long. The difficulty curve and general input difficulty turned me off. I watched pros play, but I didn’t play the game. The input barrier was too big for me and I simply didn’t want to spend my time getting over it. It just wasn’t fun.

Pretty damn sure there are a lot more like me.

Inputs have never made someone stick around and you are lying to yourself if you think they will. I have no patience for someone who refuses to put in effort into something and then dismisses it entirely. There is nothing in XIII that is too hard to do, there is nothing that you aren’t capable of doing, all you have to do is practice, and if you don’t want to practice I don’t have time for you.

You don’t? K, bye.
I also don’t have patience and time for people who are too dense to see the problem. Execution heavy games are not fun. I don’t want nor should I need to put hours of practice into a character just to be average with him/her. It’s not fun.

Want a perfect example how execution heavy characters turn people off? Barely no one played Vega (claw) in SF4. The character was a chore to play and you had to get ridiculously good at execution with him just to stand a chance against others. In sf5? Vega’s one of the better and more fun characters. Guess why?

Shit amigo, that is the fun of fighting games, or well, the yellow brick road to get to the fun.

However, I can’t really say for sure if Claw wasn’t used much due to his execution. Blanka is a relatively simply character in terms of execution and he got no play, so is Dhalsim. All three characters are bad characters which may have played a role. I know me personally, I didn’t use Claw due to his weird commands for me at the time as I was new to fighting games, but then I ended up doing all the fun links and technical shit with Ibuki so idk, maybe I’m insane.

I really want to see some health bars and how much damage shit does. If this game is like 98 or even XI to an extent where shit FUCKING HURTS, then I’m sold on the game, no matter what it looks like.

[Great_Dark_Hero]

What? XIII’s inputs are the easiest in the entire series, Idk what to tell anyone if they can’t do those except they aren’t practicing enough. Assuming they play it in the first place.

The HD combos were another thing but the inputs are fine.

I’m talking about the hd combos. I can pull off every move, but man I nearly get cramps finishing a full hd combo. I play on a pad btw.

I understand where you are coming from. I had to do part of my XIII Mai tutorial on a pad as well. It was painful… but I still got the point across.

[AT_Ryo_Sakazaki]

Kyo, Iori and Leona models and textures are improved
Hair and some clothes have now animations
The first stage is improved too (better ambient light ecc)

[Running_Wild]

I can’t wait for next week because we’ll finally have something to discuss about the game that doesn’t involve the way it looks.

[Hawkingbird]

The animations still look like shit.

[Xvideos]

Wasn’t XIII sprites made with tracing posing 3D models of the characters? Why not just use those? I am sure SNK saved them up somewhere.

Because they are incredibly expensive and time consuming and were on the verge of bankrupting the company. Also, if you’ve played previous KoF titles before, using those sprites led to most characters being largely unfinished, which was at least to me not very satisfying.

I meant the 3D models that was used for tracing, those 3D models looked just like the sprites

http://kofaniv.snkplaymore.co.jp/info/15th_anniv/2d_dot/creation/index.php

[Paolochun]

https://twitter.com/Gegz/status/669308867629735939

[JohnGrimm]

Wasn’t XIII sprites made with tracing posing 3D models of the characters? Why not just use those? I am sure SNK saved them up somewhere.

Because they are incredibly expensive and time consuming and were on the verge of bankrupting the company. Also, if you’ve played previous KoF titles before, using those sprites led to most characters being largely unfinished, which was at least to me not very satisfying.

I meant the 3D models that was used for tracing, those 3D models looked just like the sprites

http://kofaniv.snkplaymore.co.jp/info/15th_anniv/2d_dot/creation/index.php

Well those models are largely unfinished and they would have to do a ton of work to make those playable anyways, plus they probably wanted to go with a new art style to further differentiate the game from XIII.

[luckyjim]

I’m less-concerned about the 3D models but I wish they’d make up for it in the special effects department. The effects sprites in XIII were just too beautiful. I can only assume the people who did those are long gone…

Is there only talk of a PS4 version so far? I’m hoping this gets a PC release instead of being some type of exclusive. The fact that it’s going to be unveiled at the PlayStation Experience thing doesn’t get my hopes up, though.

[JohnGrimm]

I’m less-concerned about the 3D models but I wish they’d make up for it in the special effects department. The effects sprites in XIII were just too beautiful. I can only assume the people who did those are long gone…

Is there only talk of a PS4 version so far? I’m hoping this gets a PC release instead of being some type of exclusive. The fact that it’s going to be unveiled at the PlayStation Experience thing doesn’t get my hopes up, though.

As of now all information about KoFXIV says that it’s PS4 exclusive.

[Doctrine_Dark]

The announcer is annoying as hell. Please shut the fuck up.

Game’s looking better, though.

[CyberPhoenix0252]

The announcer is annoying as hell. Please shut the fuck up.

Game’s looking better, though.

He reminds me so much of the Fatal Fury Special announcer.

[JohnGrimm]

http://i.imgur.com/upmpd61.png

Subtle minor improvements.

[Zephyrus21]

Textures are getting better.

[Great_Dark_Hero]

Game is really starting to look progressively better after every trailer. It probably would have been wiser to wait until a little bit later to present this next installment. SNKP (and the individuals in charge of overseeing this video game) may have presented this way too early. I do like how the game play is looking so far and I am glad to see it progressing over time.

[PVL_93_RU]

Iori is really fucked up with those red eyes

I at least hope that the game comes out somewhere near late 2016 as this needs a LOT more time than rumored April-March release window