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All I hear is listing things and calling them stupid and busted and dumb without any reasoning.

input interpreter sucks? uh?

top tier dominant- yeah, like all fighters. but this game is more balanced than 3s and vsav… so what?

TOP glitch? You mean the freeze on TOP activation? because that can actually be used for mindgames. You see the opponent needs one more jab to activate TOP- you run in and jab and then use the freeze to buffer the super. I think this adds another layer of depth because it reinforces situational awareness and life awareness.

0 frame setups- high risk/reward, hard to do, but always hype. Why is this a problem? It provides more awareness of your and opponent’s meter, and really reminds you that you should think twice about throwing out something unsafe on block if they have meter, but of course many unsafe things on block are designed for your opponent to not see it coming, so the idea that you can’t throw out unsafe things is moot, but obviously tied again to reading and outsmarting your opponent.

meter building exploits- only kevin and gato have true “exploits”. Gato’s requires really strict timing and practice. The amount of reward is not out of the realm of broken for how much practice it requires to perfect. If done incorrectly, is also very punishable. Even still, Gato is high tier but not god tier at all, and he has his weaknesses. Kevin is just top tier…Every game has that one character. Everyone else has meter building tools, but again, the ability to build meter during neutral is another tactic that adds situational complexity- Do I use this space to try and build meter? Do I know what is a safe space for me to build meter against this character matchup? Can I fake the opponent off by doing a feint and then punishing their attempted punish of my building meter?

JD is super busted- you didn’t say why so I’m not going to argue why it isn’t.

Juggle system is dumb- you didn’t say why either. How exactly is it dumb? In the grand scheme of things it leads to character combos…Nothing more. The combos in this game are also short and sweet and maintain the pacing…

70% damage combos- yes, there are combos like that, but you need a full meter, TOP activation, and the right situation and max punish. Basically if it happened, it deserved to happen, and this is a high damage game. It isn’t like you’ll see a combo like this every match either…? It is in the realm of normal and comparable to other fighters…In fact many games have a lot more of a gap between unmetered combos and metered combos in terms of damage.

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it goes without saying that Garou’s gameplay is inferior to KOF games gameplay. even if you were to just have 1 on 1 KOF matches, they are still technically better than Garou mechanics. All of SFIII’s glorified and overhyped mechanics, didn’t make it more fun nor likable than SFII, Alpha and IV’s mechanics (even SSF2 HD Remix lasted years longer than the online PS3 port of SFIII:TS).

same case with MOTW, its gameplay didn’t gel well with neither KOF fans, nor Real Bout fans, not even FFS fans. and it has the worst roster in Garou/Fatal Fury history, just like SFIII ANG (and even TS) has the worst and most awkward roster in SF histories (even EX3 plus alpha has more likable roster).

Like SFIII, MOTW was just overhyped because for its time, it had some of the most advanced sprites and animations, with depth that was more convoluted than inspiring. but MOTW tanked anyways, you didn’t see a MOTW2 happen afterwards (meanwhile, Last Blade did get a sequel, and that’s even less known than Samurai Shodown). MOTW is just the most overrated SNK fighting game ever due to its eye candy and progressing the old school Garou lore. its gameplay was neither fun nor as likeable and diversified as KOF style. the only major things that came out of MOTW was Rock’s raging storm having the input command that Geese’s version should have, and the other positive was Are you OK Buster Wolf.

and after KOF 2003 and XI attempted some MOTW fanservice, fans raged about Terry design, so SNKP stuck with Terry classic from KOFXII onwards. Also when the original SNK closed its doors, its final farewell art showed CLASSIC Terry, not MOTW Terry. I mean really, classic Terry/any version of Terry that isn’t MOTW Terry > MOTW Terry. and it is shameful that MOTW lacked favorites, not just Mai, but also Andy, Joe, Kim, Geese, Lawrence, Axel, Billy, Krauser, Raiden/Big Bear, Duck King, Blue Mary, etc.

maybe SNKP wants to make another MOTW /Garou game, and if so, fine. but IMO it’s a money pit. money that would be better invested in KOFXV, KOF XVI, etc. it’s nice SNKPS wants to rejuvenate multiple franchises, but in the long run, I don’t think even a new Samurai Shodown will be profitable/mainstream enough, unless they team up with SE and make a AAA graphics 60 fps Bushido Blade X Samurai Shodown crossover.

KOF is their flagship series, and KOFXIV is thirsty for more funding. the only SNKP franchise that perhaps rivals KOF in popularity, other than perhaps Samurai Shodown, is Metal Slug.

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You can’t rely on one series, if fans don’t like that game then they’re gone bro.

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I’m not here to argue with you on the exact specific details on why Garou is a bad game. You asked me why, those are some of the reasons why. Nothing I say is ever going to change your opinion and nothing you say is ever going to change my opinion. You think Garou is a great game, I think it is a bad game. Nothing more needs to be said beyond this point.

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Maybe you are that close minded, and rigid, but I’m not. If you made sound arguments for why Garou is a bad game I would be forced to reconsider Garou as a game. But you haven’t.

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I have to agree with everyone here, including this reviewer about it below:

Link.

Garou’s an overrated game. What exactly is so special about it?

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And I’m not going to. If you’re fine with the game then be happy with it, I just hate when people make statements that imply everyone agrees with it. You said “sure garou is under appreciated” like it’s just a known fact that Garou is not as popular as it should be. I disagree with you, I think Garou is exactly as popular as it should be. Just because you think it’s the best thing ever doesn’t mean everyone does.

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lol propositions of value

lol please stop not liking what I do like

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Alright when you guys told me KOFXI is a bad game I could kind of see your point but garou, like really.

That’s going a bit too far now

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oh this is hilarious. Because everything I have typed I have prefaced as an argument, based on opinion and my personal reasoning, whereas you speak with no such prefacing, as if you truly are making statements that imply everyone agrees with you.

That garou is underappreciated is of course, an opinion, and for you to assume I was speaking for everyone despite my backing up my love for the game whereas you do nothing but speak with purely dogmatic language is laughable.

As for Laban, your comment is childish, and holds no water. I could care less whether he likes the game or not. I am merely offering my break down of his criticisms.

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I don’t have anything against Garou, but it is legit, the hipster of fighting games. Like, if we were all in a room and saying what our favorite game to play is and you said Garou, I would have to give you this look that just said, " Look here, smartass, noone plays Garou."

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The problem with this post is that you are saying that I have to back up my opinions when I don’t. You’re calling it dogmatic language but in reality I did the same thing you did. You said you think Garou is the best game ever because it has amazing presentation and wonderful mechanics, Kevin is a better character design than Clark, Garou is better than KoF, blah blah blah, but you never explained WHY the presentation was good or why the mechanics were good or anything else. I said the game was bad and listed the things I hate about the game, just as far as you went, but now that you have taken issue with my complaints I have to back them up when you didn’t? No. This is not the Garou thread, this is not a debate, this is not me trying to sell you on something. You have an opinion, I have an opinion. You said your piece, I said my piece. If you have a problem with that then you can go somewhere with yourself, but this bullshit about what I’m saying is dogmatic and has no backing when you made the same extent of comments in the opposite direction is garbage whether you can admit that or not. What I said isn’t any more offensive than what you said, the only difference is your comments were in favor of and mine were against.

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You just said you had nothing against Garou, then contradicted yourself by calling it “hipster”, as well as mocking anyone who likes to play it, basically slandering Garou itself and anyone who loves it.

Here’s my turn to respond: Look here, smartass, I play Garou, few people play Garou, and if you don’t like it fine. But at least I am smart enough to know that I don’t need to call out the game and people who love it, because I know that what makes anything great is subjective. And that believe it or not, enough people play Garou to enjoy it anytime, and those who play the game love it. Oh, and that not everything that is popular or mainstream is better, and not everything that is underground or ignored is “hipster”

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wow, how conceited

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Uh, no you did not. And I did discuss the mechanics, twice. I didn’t discuss presentation because obviously that does not factor directly into its merit as a “game”.

The thing is for some odd reason you thought that I was being dogmatic about Garou, (by jumping to the strange conclusion I was speaking for everyone when I was in fact giving a very personalized breakdown) when in fact everything I typed about the mechanics I presented as an argument, which is automatically a sign that I approched it as a discussion, not dogmatic. All you did was use the majority advantage (in any other setting you may not have majority opinion on Garou) to assert that it is a bad game. Which is fine, really. But to be the one who initially thinks I am being dogmatic is very strange.

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Anyone else find it ironic that someone calls the damage in garou busted when daimon in KOF98 can beat you in 3 combos.

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Do you really want me to do this? It’s almost offensive how oblivious you’re being.

This is you. This is not backing up your claim, this is being dogmatic. You are expressing the statement that Garou is a better game than KoF is based on nothing as if it is fact.

Using the phrase “I find” qualifies it as an opinion, however you don’t back up WHY you think it has the best cast of any fighter in existence. A claim based on nothing backed up by nothing.

Kevin is better than Clark. Why? A claim based on nothing backed up on nothing.

Garou is underappreciated because I like it even though plenty of people have valid criticisms of the game, but because I like it the game does not get enough attention and praise and should get more even though it is the go to favorite SNK game of people who don’t play SNK games. A claim based on nothing backed up by nothing.

The gameplay engine and movesets are amazing because I say so. Based on nothing backed up by nothing. This parry comment wasn’t even directed at me, or at least shouldn’t have been because I did not say anything about it at the time and it was made after I already started to reply to you, as evidenced by it not being in the quote to my reply.

All I hear is listing things and calling them great and amazing and better than other games without any reasoning.

The only time you ever felt like explaining anything was when you decided that my reasons for saying the game were bad didn’t match up with your own personal beliefs and decided to “break down my criticisms” as if what I said was any less valid than everything I just quoted. If my complaints were invalid because they were not explained enough, your praises are invalid because they are not explained enough.

Now as I have already said, this is not the Garou thread, this is not a debate, you made a claim and I made a claim to the contrary. I am not trying to change your opinion and you cannot change mine. Stop acting like your cause is righteous and your words are law.

3 is a lot better than 2 or 1, and additionally Garou is a 1v1 game where as KoF is a 3v3 game.

ReoGeo, please, shut up. For the love of god just stop.

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I mean if you are going to pull the “he is just crying that you don’t like what he likes” card in midst of a discussion, yes I’m going to call out your bullshit. It does not matter to me how many people here like Garou or who don’t. But come on. All I did was give a personal analysis of the mechanics, and then for whatever reason, you had to condescend me with your immature and pointless comment.

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Except we are talking about overall damage instead of one character. Also, a grappler beating someone in 3 combos from a game in the 90s isn’t suprising.

Looks like someone’s on an insult spree. If you think what makes a game great is subjective then have you spent all this time on this Garou thing? Also, he didn’t say anything about its popularity.

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The level of revisionist history going on for something that happened 8 hours ago is so massive it is fucking palpable.