KOF XII - Leona thread

Yeah it’s still a mystery to me :rofl: I’ve tried everything; thinking it was how close to the groud they were, or how far away they were in the air. From the cancel to f-b or jump in jab punch super it is always the same damage though.

If you don’t wanna use super at the end, you can just do another Moon Slasher. At no point did I suggest you should use this over her other easy CC, so chill out a bit and understand that people may be interested in things other than what does the most damage for most effciency. It’s not always about winning…

I like that almost this whole thread is CC combos despite the fact that her standing C has awful range. :stuck_out_tongue:

Actually, that’s what I hate most about Leona. Range on her 5C and 2C are awful.

I also stopped using Moon Slasher as a anti-air except against hop-ins because the shifting hitbox kept fucking me up time to time.

According to my tests 2C has slightly more range than 5C but it maybe a little slower (not sure). 2C still goes to 6B so it might be preferable in combos, but like I said I’m concerned it might not be as fast so that might cause problems here and there.

Moon slasher usually works well for me as anti air, as long as I do it on reaction (and make sure not to do it too early). What do you mean about shifting hitbox?

I think the hitbox on Moon Slasher moves from above her to in front of her while it’s in active state. So if you try to AA a jump in that’s near directly above her head, you will whiff if you do it too early (even if the animation looks like the move should hit).

So like I said, I AA with 2C more often than Moon Slaher if the opponent jumps in at steeper angle.

Short hop B works wonders as anti-air.

V-Slasher crosses up now, like it did way back '96. Glad to see this has returned.

Because of the relaxed cancel timing in XII, it’s quite easy to hyperhop backwards and instant overhead with j.A, and then complete the motion for V-Slasher while you are in the air. In earlier games this was pretty much impossible 'cause you had to be much quicker with the cancel, making j.A, V-Slasher a bit of a gamble. In XII you have enough time to hitconfirm it off a hyperhop backwards. If you screw it up, chances are you will be at a safe distance, rather than being right in their face from trying to land it with qcfuf+A, hcb+P

You can land V-Slasher after a j.CD counterhit either on the ground or in the air. Off the ground, the timing is really tight midscreen, and not worth the gamble. In the corner it’s easy to land, but you also have the option of juggling with CD xx Moon Slasher or something. If you hit them out of the air midscreen it’s not too hard to land.

c.D is cancellable (on hit) into anything which is new for Leona. Not sure if it was mentioned but j.C is her only jumping normal that can crossup. It’s pretty average compared to the rest of the characters.

This. Jumping over them and doing a reverse V-Slasher is freaking awesome. I was iffy on using it anymore since it’s punishable on block, but now that you can cross up with it, it’s amazing! I used it alot at a recent ranbat and it worked miracles for me.

I also learned that a great anti-air tactic is 2C into C Baltic Launcher works. It looks like you might be able to land more before they land, but I haven’t tested anything yet. Maybe Grand Saber ([4]6B>C)?

best corner cc i could come up with.

CC >> lp moon slasher x3 (396 dmg) -> hp moon slasher (505 dmg) -> v-slasher

675 max damage

Normally you could land her DM right out of baltic launcher along with everything else, let me confirm…

EDIT: Okay, only on counter-hit does AA 2C into baltic launcher work, which is what I think you did. I can connect DM, 6B (it resets them, but good to keep pressure, I guess), A and C Moonslash, any normal that can reach them, it seems. Hell, you could do 2C into C Baltic Launcher, run up to them and smack them with D. :rofl:

I can’t do b~fB then C, not even A… maybe I’m not doing it right, but they seem to land too quickly for that.

What I DO like to do is 214B because it lands right ontop of them, never know if it might hit. :smiley:

You can CD right after it, you can hyper short hop into air-CD, maybe you could tag them with something else, but I haven’t had any luck.

Okay, this sounds really fucking awesome, I HOLY SHITTED.

I’m looking for 2C->Baltic Launcher->hyper short hop CD->Moonslash, all mid screen.

In the corner I can do 2C->Baltic Launcher->CD->DM, but you can substitute the DM with her Moonslashes. Catch with this stuff in the corner is that you can’t be ontop of them, or the baltic launcer will actually miss and appear off screen. You need to position yourself a little back for this.

I tried this out, fantastic combo, dirt easy, too.

Haha, sweet! 6B sounds like the easiest to land, and if it resets them onto the ground maybe you can do some more shenanigans to keep 'em guessing. Good stuff finding out all that info!

Did you test all of those midscreen or in the corner?

6B indeed is the easiest to land, and so is 6C. It’s a tradeoff for damage, but 6C being stronger, but I’d choose 6B also to mix it up. Leona is fast enough that I feel like after the Baltic Launcher, run into 5D and then running after them is best. Two reasons: more damage, and not as laggy as 6C. You can still mix it up when they land afterwards.

Everything is midscreen unless I explicitly said it’s in the corner. :smiley:

And I did theory fighter on the train:

CC in the corner: A Moonslash x2, C Moonslash x2, DM

If I’m not mistaken, this can optimize 2dfightermf’s version of his CC by a little bit more damage, I’m going to try it now.

EDIT: Ugh, either my execution sucks or it can’t be done… but what makes it seem it can is that after the last C Moonslash, my execution is crappy so I end up hitting them with a 6C when trying to do the DM motion, so I’m really guessing the DM can hit, I just need to time it better. Can someone check up on this for me? Dinner. xD

HAHA! pulled it off! it is indeed possible! you have to time the v slasher at the last possible moment! 698 damage! nice call on the 2 HP moon slashers MRGAY!

Ahh, fantastic, high five, man! :smiley: Glad it worked, I knew it did, I was just sucking badly at the moment, haha.

It’s not a great climb of damage, only 23 more damage, but as I like to say, “in a game with health bars, every little bit of damage adds up.”

Is this Leona’s most damaging corner CC, or are there better ones?

haha its cool to meet nice people here. the forum patrolling, know it all, mini-mod douchebags were kinda driving me away lol.

i did a quick scan of the thread before i posted the first combo and i hadnt seen any corner CC that has more damage. i may have missed something though lol

Ah, it happens, especially here in SRK, people are hardcore, don’t mind them so much, it adds to what SRK is: just fucking hilarious. xD

I don’t see anything, also. This one is stronger than the KOFUnion corner CC, that one did 644. Damn, did we really just make a better combo than them? o.O; At least their’s is a bit more flashy with the Baltic Launcher’s, haha.

BTW, I still can’t do the combo, I know my timing is off, I’m working on it… can’t believe I can’t do the thing I thought about, how frustrating, haha.

i heard from a couple of people that having the initial patch installed sped up gameplay a fraction and made certain things possible that were impossible before. do you have the patch installed? i know a lot of people dont because it sorta created more problems than it solved lol.

hmm… kof union? ive never seen their combo. i must seek it out and try it! im a total noob when it comes to playing fighting games seriously so im still trying to learn a little more advanced things :slight_smile:

I installed the patch when I first got the game, so yep, it’s there. Didn’t really know about these “problems,” not into KOF as much as other games, but I do wanna learn, this is a really fun game.

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There ya go! you don’t have to look for it, now. :smiley:

You’re pretty good to come up with that combo, though, I was like “wow, this is so easy to do, and it’s so powerful.” :smiley: