KoF popularity in America

Haha. Implying that the “SNK community” even actually plays games, let alone 98. If anything everyone else dabbles in 02 just because the cast size is bigger and play “sugoi” characters such as Kula, K’, Vanessa, and etc. There are pretty much no 98 elitists, let alone players that solely focus on 98. This isn’t the ST community. If there were 98 elitists, I’m sure they’d be tired of Chizuru and Goro by now. If anything I’m one of those few 98 players and XIII is such a refreshingly good, balanced game. (Balanced in comparison to games such as 98/um, 02/um, XI.)

Unless you’re just putting on some facetious tone that I can’t infer due to your diction used, I guess what you mean by “SNK Community” is the hundreds of Chinese players in places such as Guangzhou that keep playing 98 og and 97 over stuff like 98umfe, 02um, and XIII.

Just stating what mindset I have been exposed to over the years on other sites. Not this one.
I hope things will be different for XIII.

While I agree with you in most aspects, I disagree on some:

  • KOF didn’t became popular from 2000 and so on, it was the most popular/played arcade fighting game since KOF '97.
  • Piracy became a common practice only after KOF2k2 if I remember well. I never saw pirated MVS carts before KOF2k2, and I live in the biggest city of Brazil (São Paulo) and I was a very hardcore arcade player back in the day. I should know.
  • CPS1/CPS2 games were CHEAPER than MVS games back in the day. But CPS3 games were indeed more expensive. I know a lot of arcade owners, so I should know.
  • Most arcade centers went out of business due to natural lack of customers. Old school arcade players got a bit aged. They married, got kids and so on. Not much time to play anymore. The young generation (AKA the online generation) are lazy, spoiled brats and prefer easier games, and that’s why we are having this flood of retarded games nowadays.

What is MVS?

As for arcades, there were 6 at a single street here, and I have seen every single one of them remain in the business, but with slot machines instead. Or perhaps a bingo, I believe one of them was turned into one before the police cracked in, supposedly due to lack of bribing.

MVS is their board… like CPS…

“Multi-Video System” I think it’s called.

It has much to do with the fact that Capcom created a better foothold here in the US in the early 90’s. Capcom has great success with the Street Fighter 1, Street Fighter 2, CE and Super arcade cabinets. They were extremely popular and became well known to the US market. The advent of the Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis popularity only strengthened this growth. While SNK did launch titles here in the US, they weren’t nearly as popular. Many of the earlier SNK titles like Art of Fighting, were seen as SF ripoffs or clones, which many were. To add to this, the Neo Geo was very unsuccessful here in the US, as the arcade ports of games were very expensive. The console MSRP at around $599 in the early 90’s. The games themselves MSRP’d for $249.99 each. The majority of the early SNK titles in the very early 90’s ran on Neo Geo architecture, while they were ground-breaking technologically at the time, their cost ultimately led to the Neo Geo’s early death. I think this harmed the US SNK experience very much, by the time the console market began to boom, the damage had already been done.

Unlike Japan and much of the EU, there wasn’t equal exposure between KOF and SF here in the states. So to this day, most SNK titles are only really known among hardcore fans of fighting games or fans of emulators.

Yeah. Judging by GGPO numbers, I see way more Brazilians playing Street Fighter Alpha 2 than anything else other Brazilians play.

This is a joke, right?

I’m just going by what I see. They really flood Alpha 2 on GGPO and Supercade. I haven’t treaded into the ST room recently so I don’t know if their numbers are pretty big there. Also shoutouts to those Pakistanis that flood 98 room 3 from time to time. Cool guys.

Haha, you know how to troll XD

I’m just stating what I see. If I’m wrong then you could just correct me and show me why. You don’t have to be an asshole and use stupid emoticons. I know Brazilians aren’t in there in the A2 room everyday but I do see number spikes from time to time. On a different tangent, if you’re going to pull shit like “I respect your opinion, tho I disagree.” without even actually trying to make a solid counter argument or anything of the sort, please just don’t post at all in response. It’s as if you’re saying, “Yo, even though you made a solid point that perhaps makes more sense than my own, I’m still going to disagree because I just want to and feel justified in a shallow sense.” If anything, you’re the troll. I most probably fell for it right now. The icing on the cake is “XD”, man just go back to Gaia.

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well from What I have experienced and not just “saw”

all of the other countries except for the U.S seem to know their kof. Brazil,Argentina,Chile,Peru,Colombia,Pakistan,Morroco,China,Korea etc They know how to play it.

it just the U.S that really fucking sucks and that’s the only evidence I need

Was that really necessary? I’m not interested in disputing whether the US is subpar at the game or whatever. The negativity and flippant remarks are not only unproductive but also take up space on the page that could be used for more reasonable posts.

I’d venture a guess and say threads full of troll posts like yours all over this board are a pretty large part of why people who actually play have trouble getting new people into the game.

Sigh…

You made me lose 20 minutes of my precious time to do this, I hope this shut your mouth for good:

alpha2

alpha2 gold

alpha3

champion edition

3s1

3s2

3s3

st1

st2

2k21

2k22

2k23

2k24

2k25

2k26

2k27

kof981

kof982

From the above pics we can conclude that:

  • Brazillians play more KOF than SF
  • KOF2k2 alone has more brazilian players than all SF titles together
  • KOF2k2 room alone has more players (world wide) than all SF rooms together
  • You are a troll

Oh and about that shit about KOF being a easier game than SF, it’s a matter of opinion. Though one can wonder how a single char game can be more complex than a 3vs3 game. I don’t even wanna talk about the game mechanics/resources.

Have a nice day.

From the above pictures, we can conclude that you took multiple samples for the 2002 room without even including timestamps yet only took one sample for A2 or any other game. Not only that, the picture you uploaded for 98 room 1 is exactly the same as 98 room 2. From the above pictures, we can’t conclude anything but for the fact that at some certain times of day (and not knowing at which dates this had happened) that there were more Brazilians playing/idling in 02 than in other games.

I’m not arguing that Brazilians play A2 more than any other game. I’m not arguing Brazilians play KOF more than any other game. I just stated that I saw more Brazilians play A2 at a given time because there weren’t any other players in the room and about 20-28 or so take occupancy in the A2 room from time to time. I was willing to be corrected or what not but you had to go and be an asshole and just say I’m a troll. Not only are you an asshole, you can’t even properly take test samples.

A single character game can be more complex than a 3vs3 game is due to subsystems and character homogenization. It allows characters to move and attack from more angles than in a movement limited game such as ST. It’s almost like Virtua Fighter, pretty much each character has an answer to everything. In the case for KOF, the subsystems such as hops and rolls that allow characters to be able to play match ups more easily than in SF. If I play Iori/O.Kyo/Saisyu or Mai/Kensou/Chizuru, I could pretty much play a similar gameplan with each of those characters not paying mind to match ups as intensely as SF. In games such as ST, the only means around projectiles are jumping/neutral jumping, getting in range to play footsies, and specific moves that could maneuver around or against projectiles. Though one might have to only learn one character, you have to learn that one character completely and know all the minute and specific details of each matchup to take a win, especially since there aren’t simple subsystems that each character could take advantage of and play in a more simplified manner. Going from a Dhalsim - Zangief match up is radically different from a Dhalsim - Ryu match up to a Guile - Vega match up to a Honda - Fei Long match up. There are more limitations in regards to movement that there have to be more precise set ups and and space control than playing something such as a Kyo - Iori match up or a Heavy D! - Iori match up where it is still doing hop, high/low pressure mixing up overheads and empty hop into lows/throws, reading Iori’s anti-air st.D and staying out of range to counter poke it or sweeping it, hoping over Iori’s fireballs in which that pretty much is his only way to counter poke lows without doing a dp, and what not. In KOF, especially with rushdown characters, what you really need to know is what jump-ins are good downwards, what jump-ins are good horizontally to control hop space, what functions as a good grounded anti-airs for hops and full jumps, if you character has a good sweep, and hit confirm combos that knockdown from hop-in or low attacks. Then you could play all those characters pretty much in a similar way just paying mind in slight difference in normals. Rushdown characters, zoning characters, and command throw characters are quite similar to each other and just have slight changes in normals to set each other apart. Vice is a stand out grappler because she has a floaty hop and jump so she can’t do hop pressure like Goro or Clark but makes up for it by having a better ground game and a better cr.B in range that also cancels into a knockdown for good oki, but overall she’s largely still a grappler with the same grappler okizeme and not too much is different.

One could watch something like DandyJ’s guide and pick up KOF and know the basics, then be able to play most of the cast of the popular KOF games save a few more weird technical characters such as Angel or May Lee. If you pick up something like Sirlin’s basic ST guide and Maj’s footsie guide, it’ll take more time and be more difficult to really learn multiple characters as there are more details to learn and more experience needed to really learn match ups between each character for each character you learn and it’s different from each Street Fighter game to another.

I guess you could argue that learning 3 characters is daunting, but the actual amount of information you need to learn a character in KOF isn’t nearly as exhausting as learning a character in SF. It’s easier to learn Kyo/Iori/Goro in 98 than to completely understand Guile, Dhalsim, or O.Hawk and each of their match ups in ST.

So not only do you make a shitty argument when I didn’t try to make an argument (about Brazilians playing a particular game) and you don’t even make a good samples or evidence, you don’t even want to even bother making a solid argument that’s actually more relevant to the thread. Then you daintily mention something about 3vs3 and won’t even go into details about it yet I could still put down that statement simple game mechanics. Please, you’re the troll; I insist.

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Good lord, you are the master of the trolls man, I give up! Hahaha

LOL who is this lawler guy? he’s funny, laban quit typing essays

i thought everyone knew brazilians were king of a2 (on ggpo) but that doesn’t in any way mean that that’s their most played game

actually based on your pics i am going to conclude that china does not actually play 98, it is a hoax

Nah, China plays 98 a lot, they just use the room #1. My pics are from room #2, wich most south americans plays. Room #1 is mostly Asian/Middle East countries, #2 is South America and #3 is idk, maybe Korea?

KOF is way more popular than Street Fighter and Bad Kombat everywhere in South America.

Talking about Mexico as your first representative country from South America shows great ignorance on the matter. First and foremost, Mexico is one of the most discriminated countries in South America. Second, South Americans don’t consider themselves “latins”, most countries in South America have a majority in % of white race people, unlike Mexico, so their idiosincracy, culture and ways of thinking are different. Third, Mexico isn’t even in South America, it’s in North America. Everytime people come up to insert Mexico on the talk when they refer to South America I laugh with pity. It shows a huge ignorance.

Another fact is that KOF didn’t become popular anywhere because the bootlegs were cheaper. SF’s CPSII bootlegs were EVEN cheaper in fact than Neo Geo’s bootlegged cartridges, you can ask any decent arcade operator about it and he will tell you. It became more popular because people from those regions asked for it, and played it out more than SF…

Yo, there’s way more Brazilians in the KOF rooms then there are SFA/Z2. It’s not even up for discussion.

I respect Beijing and their ride or die attitude of '97 or bust.

The wait for XIII sucks.