Just time your punishment as a meatie. Make him land into it. When I try to punish a whiffed shoryu with cl.RH, I sometimes end up eating another one. Typically, I just stick a crouching middle kick out there and have him land on it. Then cancel that into Tatsu (especially if it’s a shoryu happy opponent).
As a rule of thumb, if his feet have already hit the ground BEFORE you push a button to punish, you may want to just block (or sneak in a quick c.lk hit confirm).
Alright, thanks for the help.
While I’m here, are Ryu and Akuma’s shoryus as safe as Ken’s?
I never really studied the frame data for whiffing shoryukens… I mean, I just knew that if you bombed it, you were gonna eat some pain.
I know Ken’s lp shoryu recovers one frame faster than Ryu’s lp shoryu on block. That’s about as far as I know though. 
You could check the frame data in the shoryuken.com wiki. When you go to the main page, just click on wiki instead of forums. Then go to Street Fighter IV. All the characters should have their frame data near the bottom of their character specific pages.
Total number of frames is going to tell you how long the move actually is. The bigger the number there, the more time the opponent has to figure out how they’re gonna hurt you when you get down.
Then check the frames on block number. It should be a pretty big negative number, since you go into the air and all. The bigger the negative, the more time the opponent has to plan your hurting.
Sweep him if you want the knockdown. cr.fp if he’s close enough to reset him in the air, jump hk if not. It shouldn’t be that hard to grab him after an EX unless you have some lag. Grab should be done before their feet even touch the ground. LP is the tough to grab one.
Frame data wise it doesn’t really help that much because the data we need isn’t available. In general when they whiff their attack the recovery time is huge.
For example:
Shoryuken EX
Startup: 5f
Active: 223*7f
Recovery: 45+9
Total Frames: 72
1~11f invincible, 12-18f lower body invincibility
This means that for 72 frames he is recovering but you cannot punish him for frames 1-18 (because of invincibility, also note that the attack only hits until the 18th frame). So why are you having such a hard time if it takes 54f (72-18) to recover? Because you can’t grab him for all 54f since he needs to fall before he can be grabbed. I don’t think we know for how many frames they can be grabbed in while they’re landing. I think maybe you can grab them before they land because their state is one that can be grabbed but I’m not sure if it actually works since they are still airborne. Something to try in training mode for sure. Again we don’t know how early they can be grabbed and usually wait until it looks safe, which seems to be too late.
That’s for grabs though, you can sweep his ass wayyy before his feet touch the ground.
Unfortunately this is generally the case, I live in the southern part of Australia.
Thanks for your help though, I just have a habit of throwing to punish.
Get rid of it. Throwing is 3 frames, but so is crouching light kick. If you could throw, you could PROBABLY get a hit confirm shoryu or tatsu combo in there for more damage (50+ I believe). Maximizing your punishment opportunities will get you so much further. I have a friend who would always BARELY lose matches against some of my better SFIV friends, so I finally forced him to go into training mode and learn all of his punishes from c.jab, c.short, and standing fierce. Now, his execution on them is great and he wins a lot more. You would be surprised at how much better you do in matches when you really hurt em when they mess up.
I know it’s a hard habit to break, but it will be worth it in the end.
You’re a dude, Basara. Thanks for the tips.
well i’m back after taking a week out of town for my older brothers wedding.
the only upside to occasionally using throws to punish is that it’s an untechable knock-down for ken to set up some mixup on their wake-up and on top of that it can be VERY frustrating if it’s a character that you can safe-jump against. often times against mid to low level players i can get them into my loop with 1 throw and keep them there for an entire round.
but if your fighting a really good opponent you need to take each opening for the max that you can do.
'Sup dudes. Ken is awesome.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but are these the go-to combos for Ken?
punish: HK xx HK tatsu
HK xx MP shoryu xx Super
Focus, Ultra
cr.LK: cr.LP xx shoryu (if opp. is crouching)
cr.LP, st.LP, cr.MK xx HK/EX tatsu (if opp. is standing)
crossup: cr.LK (see above)
target combo xx hadoken (for safety)
On some characters like Abel these combos don’t hit all of their hits. For them I use cr.strong xx hk.tatsu or st.hk xx ex.shoryu.
wassup fellew ken bro’s i just made g1 today. and i’d really appreciate some sparring with some experienced kens. any challenges will be accepted. my XBL gtag is Slimztheguy im on usually between 9:00 am-3:00 pm eastern time. i can get on later if needed though
alright guys hope to see yah out there.
Haha, hey man. We met on xbox live yesterday. I’m Ssjbryando. I have 300 points to go for G1 myself.
I hope I get out of this hellhole g2 scrub paradise soon T_T
Also for someone that has premium and likes me, I don’t like my -2 red rep ;-; lol
Edit: Ok I’m in G1 : D YAAAAAAY lol
hahaha okay i remember you i added you as a friend on XBL. hows g1 treatin you.??
you down for some matches next time you’re on.??
help help help,im tryna put lk lp lp ex srk into my game but the timing seems weird as hell, i can do any ken combo except this one on comand,then i thried lk lp pause lp then ex srk, y do i have to pause to to get it to conect
Sure lol. G1, they all good indeed =D Fought a few matches. All the kens are basiclly clones of me though lol. We all do the same stuff
And I got a question, is it because my title says something about Ken, that I’ve been meeting soooo much kens. O_o G2 had like no kens, here out of 10 matches, 8 were kens. Do you guys be seeing a lot of kens?
Its nice so far, havn’t played a lot,.
About the clone thing its funny, cause we all got rid of the noobish habbits of Ken, and moves, and replaced them with some better ones. Everyone is poking a lot, doing jump rt, down b, hadoken etc lol.
Maybe its just cause i’ve been meeting all these kens lol. I changed my title, I might change it back for some more ken fights.
And yea I need to learn jab jab shoryuken as well. Matter of fact was practicing it a bit now.
yeah jab jab shoryu is a great link i land so many shoryu’s now u should learn it. and isk what the clones are about bro Lol i haven’t I’ve only fought 1 g1 ken and i whooped him Lol he had no clue what i would mix him up with next. but i don’t think it has anything to do with your title bcuz my title is ken related.
Ah could be. But I think some picked Ken, or sagat for fun against ken ‘‘scrubs’’ at least one messaged me that.
And damn I met one 14066 Ken o_O thats insane. That’s seriously loosing 200 times, without passing round 1 (Cause then you get 10, double)
And yea the only things I link in is tatsus, I gotta try some shoryuken things. Im gonna request some more strings or w/e ;-; Im using M. Shoryuken way more now though, It has more invincibility, and is great for anti air. Better timing it now lol
And for some reason my FADC to ultra keeps failling online. Maybe its because of the lag/online, cause offline I can easily do it 50 times in a row T_T
medium shoryu is great for anti air. my FADC doesn’t let me down that much online i had to get used to it.
i could show u plenty of links tho.
but yeah i link tatsu’s too i just link shoryu when i want a knockdown. i link tatsu’s when i want to O.S
Lol i love the way ppl think you’re a scrub when you use ken. i can’t even count the times ppl have sent me msgs like you’re the only ken I’ve fought that isn’t a scrub Lmao… and WOAH 14066 gp.
Well its the dash. Cause you have to hold fierce, for like 2 seconds, cause it takes 2 hits before the dude juggles. And if you hold Focus a bit before, you onlky have to press <- once. With others, you have to press it twice. So I press it really loosely, so it sometimes fails lol. But I don’t have a lot of problems with that.
But yea, the only thing I need is linking to set me apart from other kens for now. I know a few, but I can never seem to use them cause you have to get very close, and mostly its a poke kinda game. So I never even try
And haha at your sig ‘‘Everyone has a Plan… until they get crlk, crlp, f SRK, fadc, into an ultra… What’s your gameplan after that??’’
G1’s pretty awesome so far, I don’t get frustrated loosing, cause I know they have experience as well =D As in new people that beat me I do get frustrated lol.
did u get my invite.??