Katawa Shoujo

My thoughts:

shizune route stuff

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Boring. Shizune is cute but i felt that not only was Hisao learning sign language that quickly completely unrealistic, but that the route was full of a lot of unnecessary stuff that nobody cared about. So they end up going out at the end of act 2, but they did like, nothing “boyfriend/girlfriend”-esque in chapter 3. It was mostly just the boring trip where the weird awkward tied up sex scene happened. Then the rest of the time was spent helping misha deal with her depression. While thats fine and all, when I did Shizune route, I was expecting more focus on Shizune, and I feel like I didn’t really learn much about her because there were just way too many other characters that did nothing for the story. Even after completing it, I don’t really feel like I know anything about Shizune’s character any more than I did at first. It almost felt like she was kinda just there.

Rin route

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Hisao was a complete douchebag. He knows from the start that Rin is weird, and she even says she can’t really express herself all that well. So when hes like WAH WAH WAH and shes like “i cant really explain stuff right now cause I’m not good at that” he throws a hissy fit. He should know after hanging out with Rin a bunch that she doesnt care or think about the same things as everyone else. Yet he expects her to and acts like shes toying with him when really, shes just being herself. Everyone says Rin route is the saddest, but i don’t really think so. I think her neutral end is the best cause Hisao is a dick, and this way she can do something with her life (getting a scholarship for an art college in tokyo). Even the good end is like “meh, i guess she’s still gonna be with that douchebag”. To me, it wasn’t that it was “sad”, it was just, i unno, really unfair to Rin mostly because of Hisao imo.

Emi route

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I like Emi the best as a character. Sure she can be spoiled, and she can be kind of a bitch, but I feel like she really does try to stay positive. Part of me agrees that she shouldnt get mad when her boyfriend is like “hey whats wrong?” “NOTHING” “bullshit, something is up” “FUCK YOU TRYING TO FIX ME, ASSHOLE!”, but at the same time, she is right in that nobody there can really understand her situation but she’s also being a little unfair of someone who just wants her to know that someone is there for her. I felt like she’s the type who needs some alone time when she gets mad/depressed, and some people are like that, and one of Hisao’s biggest issues is not understanding that. However, Emi is a great character I thought, and I enjoyed playing her route. My biggest issue was just Hisao not getting that Emi’s dad died until she literally showed him “hey heres a gravestone with my dads name on it”. There were tons of clues, and he really does a bad job of putting 2 and 2 together. I sympathize with him on feeling like he wasn’t getting closer to Emi even tho they were going out, because she didn’t really want to, but I feel like it ended well enough.

Hanako route

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Hanako’s route was really well written imo. She has people issues, and despite that, she really did try hard to get out and fix those issues. The thing I liked about her route was that I didn’t know a lot about her thought process or her issues until everything was kind of revealed as the game goes on. I don’t feel like I learned much about the other characters just by playing, but with Hanako I felt like I learned a lot of things about her as the game progressed naturally. I disagree that her bad end was really a bad end. If anything, her getting pissed and going GO AWAY! I HATE YOU! YOU JUST THINK IM BROKEN AND NEED FIXING!!! isn’t necessarily the end of everything. If anything, that explains a lot about her, and Hanako isn’t the type who would probably stay mad and always be mad forever, if anything, you leave her alone for a bit, talk to her later and go “listen, theres a difference between being worried and trying to fix you, and theres an even bigger difference in being worried and wanting to see you cause I like you”. It would only have been a bad end if she commited suicide after that, but chances of that are low cause I think if she wanted to, she would have done so already. Anyways, good end was nice. Hanako is another one who just needs some time/space to herself, so once Hisao learned not to be too overbearing, it took a turn for the best. It was fun to play through and I found Hanako to be way more interesting than I first thought.

My biggest issue with the game tho, is the amount of cultural things that they get wrong. Granted, none of them affect the story, and a lot of the things are nitpicky but regardless, seeing all of those mistakes makes me wish someone who lives in Japan could tell them how things actually are for some stuff. The biggest one I found is when Hisao gets miso soup from Lilly’s booth at the festival. That would be like going to a carnival and ordering toast and jam. And you never get JUST miso soup on it’s own, it’s always eaten with something at a meal.

That’s just one example, but I found a bunch just playing through the game. Mostly stuff that’s common in America that isn’t done or doesn’t exist in Japan showing up in the character’s dialogue. Oh well. I still have yet to play Lilly’s route, so when I do that, I’ll post my thoughts on it. Hopefully it’s as good as people are saying, even tho I don’t really care for Lilly.

Agree with pretty much all that. Especially the Rin stuff.

Having Finished Emi’s finally
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Lilly
Hanako

A+

Emi
Rin

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Shizune

Finished Saya no Uta. Today, probably last night I’ll have a lot of time to do stuff since classes are picking back up and have some research papers to finish up. It was a bit more stereotypical with what I’d expect from a VN. More about getting to the sex scenes than doing as depraved shit as reasonable.

There’s some cool interactions between Saya and the protaganist but every thing keeps getting broke up with sex scenes to the point I was having a hard time convincing myself to stay for the story. The story is actually kinda cool even if it has been done before and its criminally short so you can probably finish all endings in like 4 hours or so. There aren’t really a lot of choices so there wasn’t even a lot of influence on how things could happen.

KS >>> Saya no Uta

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I agree. I never got why Hanako being pissed at Hisao would be a bad end. Actually, I think the scene could have worked in the main story. I would have preferred to see the bad ending scene over him calling Lilly to know that his white knight bullshit wasn’t the best approach. The bad end from the early drafts would have been better.

IMO the only real similarities between the two is that they are VNs with sex scenes in them. The stories are so drastically different that it’s hard to compare. Almost like comparing apples to oranges. Both are fruit but are completely different from each other.

I loved Saya no Uta since I’m a big fan of horror anime/manga/VN/games/whateverthefuck.

I’ll finally get around to playing KS when I have the time to.

I’m wondering if there should just be a visual novel thread.

You are dead to me, Rob. Dead. :frowning:

[details=Spoiler]Joking. I found your comments well thought out, even though I disagree with your characterization of Hisao as an asshole during Rin’s route. Granted, he was being selfish a lot and not considering her feelings, but neither was she at the same time. I’ve been in situations like that scenario before, where I just didn’t know how to get through to a person who seems to be on a completely different emotional plane. Like Hisao I tried to brute force my way in, but failed miserably. It wasn’t that he was trying to being a jerk, he probably just wanted to connect with her and trying to do so was incredibly frustrating.

Anyway, stop reading this and go play Lilly’s route. I want to hear your opinion on it.[/details]

That’s actually not a bad idea; I just hope people don’t see it and unfairly lump it together with the Hentai thread. We know that not all VNs are eroges, and that it’s like saying all movies are porn because porn exists, but sadly people are quick to judge.

Well, it should be clear that the VN thread is story discussion only, with possibly some mild discussion on the H scenes. Hardcore eroge where you literally do nothing but eat babies and fuck bitches should be reserved for the H thread, if that makes sense.

I would like a VN thread. This game got me back into them. Before then, the last one I played was Princess Waltz and that was about a year or so ago.

I could try making one. In the first post I’ll try to make some basic guidelines and recommendations on what VNs to play, as well as the genres covered in each VN.

4chan has a substantial list of VNs and Eroge, but unfortunately they really aren’t broken down enough to be useful for newbies. I’d like to play stuff that is more on the VN side than the eroge side (as I assume is the case with a lot of people here), and /jp/ doesn’t tend to be very helpful with these things a lot of the time. While they do list their sources, it’s still a lot of shit to go through if you’re just trying to get started.

4chan’s VN/Eroge image, very large

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http://i.imgur.com/LINOK.jpg

That list needs more Snow Sakura. Corpse Party is more interactive than most visual novels, but should probably be on there too.

Yeah, we need a VN thread. I’ll wait for dat Juice.

On topic, Kenji needs his own game. You wouldn’t be Kenji, of course (no one controls his madness), but you’d be an observer who got to watch him as he made his way through different scenarios while on his path to end the Feminist Conspiracy.

The feminists got him.

We’re all doomed.

lmao… a KS/x-change crossover where Kenji gets turned into a girl would be hilarious. I wonder how long he’d be able to resist stroking his own diddle.

That right there is Kenji’s worst nightmare. :rofl:

Haha, well, I haven’t played through her route yet, so if it’s as good as everyone says, then my opinion will surely change, right? :wink:

I’ll play it tonite after I get home from work.

in response to DaRabidDuckie

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I guess I felt like he also tried to do everything at a really bad time. She was busy with her artist stuff, and he was like, all up in her shit. She even said like “hey, leave me alone for like, a week and a half so i can concentrate on this” and he shows up anyways. It wasn’t like she doesn’t like him, she just needs to be alone cause she’s busy preparing for this gallery thing. So for him to go there in the middle of her being super busy and then be like I NEED AN ANSWER FROM YOU RIGHT NOW!! when shes obviously got other things going on just shows how insensetive he is, and he still kept getting mad and kept blaming her for being…herself? It’s not like Rin changed, and he got mad because she’s how she is? That’s just my viewpoint. It’s one thing that he’s dumb, it’s another that he’s just an insensitive prick through a pretty big portion of her story. But whatever, if anything it made me sympathize with Rin more than I would have.

in response to Hawkingbird

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Yea, if anything, Hanako showing that she actually can get angry and and can yell and be irrational about saying I HATE EVERYONE shows that she really opened up to you. I highly doubt that after all the times that they spent together, that her going “I HATE YOU!!” will mean that it’s the end of everything. Heck, Emi gets mad at you multiple times in her story, and getting through that is why they ended up being good for each other. The whole “calling Lilly” thing is annoying cause I personally agreed with Lilly to let her be for a bit, but Hisao is too insistent, and it kinda bugged me, haha. Oh well, it ended happily so whatever.

Response to HeartNana about the Rin route

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I don’t think he did it at the wrong time. Rin was beginning to be suicidal when she told him not to see her for a week. I don’t expect any sane person to stand idly when the person they care said they need to destroy themselves to gain inspiration. She was at a terrible state when he found her I don’t blame him for taking the course of action he did.

The only reason Hisao went to visit Rin after she said she wanted to destroy herself was [details=Spoiler]because he probably thought she was gonna end up killing herself, like Sae’s husband. He saw that Sae’s look towards Rin was the same she had when talking about her husband, that shit scared the fuck out of me too. Also, Rin going to tokyo for school means that she probably will end up destroying herself and for real since there is no Hisao to stop her by being a dumbass :rofl:. [/details]

I should refresh the page before replyin lol.

I have a friend in Arizona who is an artist, and I wasn’t TOO concerned when Rin said she wanted to destroy herself. I understood where she was coming from, artistically. She needed to reinvent herself, because if she expected everything to change, she would have to change along with it.

LOL… this is how you i can tell if someone’s new to srk…

Fixed that for you.

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I never felt like she was all “Im gonna go kill myself” I felt like she was gonna be stressed UNTIL the gallery. Once the gallery was finished, I figured she would go back to being less busy and less stressed. Just cause someone killed themselves doesnt mean that someone else will. I guess that the story was trying to make a point to show that she might kill herself, but I never once saw it cause i unno, Rin doesnt seem like the suicidal type. She’s way too carefree.