Karin Combo/Tech Thread

[shweel]

Any reason why Kaz and Mago would be opting for:

Cr.mp, st.mp xx JFL, JFL
Cr.mp, st.mp xx JFL, V-skill
Cr.mp, st.mp xx JFL, shoulder

Instead of ending with LK mujin after the initial JFL? You get the setup after mujin and the damage is better I think no?

JFL JFL is more damage
JFL V-skill give you v meter and you can still get a decent meaty
JFL shoulder does the most stun

i guess he didn’t wanna go for a jump in after

edit: my bad, gotta learn to read more

I think JFL shoulder does the most damage and stun. JFL JFL is easier though.

[shweel]

What’s the timing for the JFL when you cancel the dash from a normal? I can do the JFL raw with plinking no problem, but I don’t get the timing at all when I’m trying to go for it in a combo.

You have to hit the punch right after the move cancels into the dash. If you input the plink, here’s what happens:
[list]
input st.mp
st.mp comes out
input command dash (command dash is buffered, will happen later)
input punch early (nothing happens, there is nothing to cancel)
command dash comes out
(here is where you should press punch)
[/list]

[Dubowner]

Try double tapping or mashing both Lp and Lk after you cancel into the Lk Dash from a normal. I get it 100% of the time from doing that. And when I say both, It’s like you’re pressing grab twice immediately after the LK Dash.

[zdravkelja]

Just input dash slightly later and you can plink it easily. I was messing arround with that today and I can do it consistently. Different timings for c.mp, st.hp, etc…

[Geirsko]

What is xx?

[fohstick]

What is xx?

cancel. You press the subsequent move that’s denoted after the xx during the startup or active frames of the move previous of xx.

e.g. s.HP xx shoryuken

In other words, do a shoryuken immediately after s.HP

[fohstick]

What’s the timing for the JFL when you cancel the dash from a normal? I can do the JFL raw with plinking no problem, but I don’t get the timing at all when I’m trying to go for it in a combo.

You have to hit the punch right after the move cancels into the dash. If you input the plink, here’s what happens:
[list]
input st.mp
st.mp comes out
input command dash (command dash is buffered, will happen later)
input punch early (nothing happens, there is nothing to cancel)
command dash comes out
(here is where you should press punch)
[/list]

also, if it helps your muscle memory develop, you can simply input JFL when you see your attack hits

[Aquakarin]

I’m having a hell of a time getting her JF Tenko to come out. I’m not THAT slow with the buttons I don’t think, but is it something that has to be immediate, or does it need to be slightly delayed somehow? I’ve tried rolling my thumb from one button to another too, but even that only gets me so much. I can do it reliably at like 40-50% in training once I get it (20-30% in actual combat), but I was wondering if there are any tricks, or something else I’m missing to make this easier. Also, is there any good way to tell if I’ve done it, other than the animation being a bit quicker, or the +20 damage in training mode?

The other question I had, since I have enough trouble just getting it off reliably, much less varying it, is does it vary with which :k: button is used, or is it just always the same? I want to know if I need to be trying to learn the execution for all of the variants, or if the spacing is always the same, and I can just stick to the slightly easier :lk:.

Oh right, one more thing. If I want to do that juggle, do I need JF Tenko -> JF Tenko, or does only one have to be JF? Just thinking if I can get away with something slightly easier while I’m still getting the hang of the JF.

For JFT you have 3 frames to input the punch button so it’s not too big, but not too small either. I’ve found that plinking or just tapping the button immediately after I do the qcf.K motion nets me consistent results.

As for which version of Sappo to use, the LK version should be the go-to in all situations. In theory it shouldn’t matter but since it’s the shortest dash you can still get a regular Tenko if you miss the Just Frame window instead of dashing into their face.

For the juggles you only need to land 1 Tenko (Just Frame or regular works) and you have several options: LK/EX Mujin, V-Skill, Super, Orochi (shoulder) or another Tenko (again, Just Frame or regular).

Thanks, I’ll keep trying then. Just one question though. You mentioned that it’s good to use the LK version since it can still Tenko if you fail, but I wanted to check for sure. The JF HK Tenko will still move the same distance and have the same properties, etc, as the LK?

[bryno_01]

How do you get orochi to connect after tenko

[bryno_01]

I play on stick

[Dubowner]

do the forward down forward motion first, then press kick then punch

[Dubowner]

i mean down forward down

[JurifeetV]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSfRqVNdUwQ

Lots of Karin stuff

[bryno_01]

Foward, down, forward or foward, down foward ?

[Irenicus]

Omg… just stop please

this is how you do it… the easy way

down, forward, mash the grab button twice ( if you dont use a grab button, then maybe you should start to )

there you go.

[Yashiro_Nanakase]

Dunno if you guys know, but Karin can pass through fireballs and others skills.

[leafcolonel]

http://youtu.be/ygKSnBIQq84

More floe karin tech

[Assumedparasite]

I saw him do this on stream. He went crazy when he found this out. He did so much testing.

[Age_of_Fools]

I haven’t seen this timing mentioned yet. It’s not good vs back recovery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyd2TQavk2M

[ClxJames]

Some notes on Karin, I feel like too many (including myself) when in VTrigger just go into Rekkas. Remember that you are +5/+8 after a blocked st.mp/st.hp canceled into VTrigger. Sometimes it’s better to go for a frame trap then to just cancel into Rekka, which leaves you at -6 unless you back off with Kick

Some tend to end her JFL BnB with another JFL, but I like lk.Mujin as it allows for better follow ups.

If you end with lk.Mujin, you can get a setup for a jump in that stuffs Necalli’s LP and MP DP, safe jumps the HP DP but loses to EX DP. I’ll be posting a video of it on Monday