Well im expecting the casting to be off, this movie will either be a great and epic comic book adaptation…or another blade 3.
What’s funny is that you really seem to think you know everything there is to know about the JLA and all of the characters. Don’t tell me, everything you know about comics is from the things you’ve read over the past, say… two years? Let me guess. You read 52, the various spinoffs, and a Crisis or two?
“All around a badass,” huh? That’s a great explanation. If Hal is such a badass, why did he go insane and turn into a supervillain when his city was destroyed? And if you blame that on shitty writing (which is an entirely valid defense), then Winick’s story about Kyle rejecting the power of Ion could also be chalked up to shitty writing. You need to be consistent.
John isn’t less talented. If you ever read any comics before 2006, it’s always been Kyle who’s the one that everyone looks at as the least dominant GL. He was a rookie for like seven years - SEVEN YEARS - before he finally started picking up the slack. John Stewart laid down a buttwhooping on his first mission and easily earned Hal’s respect.
Go read JLA: Trial By Fire. Martian Manhunter unleashes the full range of his power and easily takes down the JLA. The only one who was able to put up a fight? John Stewart, baby. (Well, and Plastic Man at the end, but I’m guessing you never heard of him.)
Anyway, if you still doubt that Manhunter can beat up Superman, try to think about it logically for a bit. Manhunter is basically just as strong as Superman, but he also can shapeshift. Not only that, but his mental powers are not to be trifled with.
How many times have you seen Superman get mind controlled? Happens all the damn time. Despero, Granny Goodness, Ultra Humanite, Starro, fuckin’ Maxwell Lord… They’ve all controlled Superman at one point or another. And here you have the Manhunter, who’s able to maintain a telepathic link between the entire JLA even when their members are scattered across the galaxy. Just that power alone can incapacitate Superman.
Superman has even said that Manhunter is one of the few guys who can actually take him down.
And doubting Batman just shows you have no idea what you’re blabbing about.
To quote a legendary SRKer:
ACT LIKE YOU KNOW
It is accepted by the comic book community that the most powerful Lantern of all time is Hal and here is why. Hal can create constructs that can contain blast powerful enough to destroy planets, he can also destroy planets himself and even recreate planets complete with wildlife, buildings and people. He has moved planets from there orbit and can easily prevent the flow of time for an entire planet, basically he can stop time. Jordan can travel past the speed of light as well, not to mention Jordan defeated Legion whom single handily smacked the entire Lantern corps, this feat impressed the guardians especially since Jordan entered into the power battery and feed of the energies directly which until that point was considered impossible. Now Kyle is considered the second most powerful Lantern because he would have become Ion…enough said. The only feat I remember Stewart doing was getting pwned by an evil Kara…and ummm yeah.
Oh and MM isn’t close to superman just so you know, supes destroyed a star system with a sneeze…do I really need to continue on to his speed feats which are comparable to the flash. Supes always holds back anyways so untill we see a direct 1 on 1 confrontation between supes and mm without supes holding back u have nothing to support your claim that mm>supes. In reality its Supes>Jordan>Kyle>>>WW>MM>>>>>>>>>>>John Stewart.
I still dont see how that puts him above Jordan or anywhere close to Kyle or Jordan. A lot of characters in comics have tittles u know, just because Magneto is called the “master of magnetism” that means we should put him at around an abstract level being right?. so john is called the first mortal Guardian of the Universe, well untill I see him rejecting Godhood or doing anything close to what Hal has doesn (mentioned above) then I dont see why he is anything but a mid-tier e-lister.
please don’t theory fight, especially when you don’t know what you’re talking about. consider it a personal favor to just stop now, k? i really enjoy reading a lot of posters here when they really get down and dirty with the theory fights, but you… just need to stop. in between this and the angel as hal jordan thing i’m pretty sure i’m on a 1 way train to blindville.
also… you’re talking about silver age superman dude. come the fuck on, you might as well be talking about SBP/SMP (whatever they’re calling him now).
on topic: as long as they can get bale for batman and don’t pull a superman returns for big blue, i should be ok with the movie being made. oh yeah and if martian manhunter isn’t green i’m gonig to be pissed. fuck it.
I heard Marvel was going to try to start consolidating their movie properties, but I don’t know much about it. It doesn’t seem very feasible, with the way they’ve gotten everything tangled up.
I would guess that you would represent the typical big screen JLA audience member, then. Theaters certainly aren’t going to be packed with droves of diehard comic book readers.
I heartily disagree. Nothing against J’onn, of course, but for all but a very small handful of characters, Supes is essentially unbeatable by design.
I would, however, agree with this. If the Flash (any of them, really) wanted to badly enough, he could own anybody. He has the greatest potential power of all DC heroes.
well… martian manhunter can shapeshift -> phase out somewhere so he’s invis -> mind control someone to do his bidding (example: have supes fly right into a convenient pile of kryptonite).
another thing to check on since i haven’t really been keeping up with batman, has he finished re-making the ring? i know he had been working on a replacement but didn’t know if that actually bared fruit.
edited the silly misquoting.
I agree. That’s why I decided to post that. Now, while I don’t read comics, I spend a lot of time reading up on their backstories and synopses, so I know some stuff, but I will say that the typical movie goer will probably immediately recognize Stewart.
Unless they’ve altered him in recent times and I’m not aware of it, MM is also not particularly faster than an ordinary man, aside from his considerable flight speed. Superman, on the other hand, is fast enough that most characters (with the obvious counter-example of the Speed Force characters) cannot react in time to stop him.
But that’s Super Theory Fighter II. Depending on who’s writing, they could probably contrive a way for either Superman or MM to be beaten by a three year old girl.
you’re right and i want you to know that what you just typed reminded me of squirrel girl vs thanos… god damn today isn’t a good day for me.
Well look how Bruce Timm did it, everyone and there mom got a good shot in a supes…i dont think ive ever seen him job so badly before. Also where the hell is this theory fighter thing coming from…Hal beats John 10/10 no debate, unless guys want to argue with the writers or something.
Anyways MM does have incredibly strength and speed but it seems Diana is till above him even, id say MM is possibly around 4th or 5th on the team(next to supes, jordan, diana and barry). Oh and who cares of its PC supes, its the way he should be written anyways.
Hal Jordan should never have been replaced as the Green Lantern. No matter how awesome his successors are, (John Stewart and Kyle Rayner are good characters) they can never really be Green Lantern for many people. It would be as if someone other than Bruce Wayne or Kal-El became Batman/Superman. The original character is such a classic, and so damn cool, that the replacement will always have to contend with the shadow of his predecessor, thereby lessening his stature.
The only time this did not occur was when Wally replaced Barry as the Flash, and that was more a changing of the guard than an outright replacement, since Wally had already established himself as Barrys eventual successor before the change took place.
Oh, and this movie is likely going to be garbage.
Yeah, because Supes kicking Darkseids ass in episode two of JL season 2 is complete jobbing. That nigga jobbed harder when Batman verbally raped him in episode 1.
The thing you’re forgetting is that MOST of those people are the ones that watched JL/JLU only. Thus, they’re used to seeing John Stewart there as the seventh League member.
And thats exactly the whole point i was making this entire time, the change wasnt needed and it was pointless, but even if they did have to replace Jordan at least let it be Kyle and not the crappy John. The other point i was making is that the leauge is supposed to represent the best of the best, John isnt the most powerful lantern…his inclusion was based soley off his skin color and thats it. It conflicts with the entire premise of the leauge, otherwise why not include robin instead of bruce, or kara instead of supes or something.
Oh and superman did job big time, JLU Amazo reminded me of how Superman should have been the entire series.
No, because those two(Robin and Kara) are currently in the Teen Titans.
Yeah, because Superman can mimic other metahuman’s powers, right? Dude, seriously…less posting, more reading.
Superman hardly jobbed.
Supes can fly hundreds of times past the speed of light, he traversed the enitre span of the unverise in a instant. He flew so fast he shattered the walls between time and space, he threw an entire galaxy worth of planets as a boy accross the universe effortlessly, he rocks planets just by the impact of his first. His Heat vision cancelled a big bang like explosion, he can cut a planet in two with a punch…and it goes on. So yeah he was jobbing big time, every comic fan considers it a low showing dude…its not up for debate he was at his weakest on the show. The superfriends superman was more powerful lol.
I’m commenting on the overall scheme of what they did with Green Lantern, not on the movie specifically. People who loved Hal Jordan will always view just about any replacement, no matter how cool, as inherently lame since it’s not Hal. DC never pulled away from the specter of Hal Jordan as the original GL, and that’s why they have currently made a return to his character.
As for Superman, the only time he really jobbed was in JL when he fought Wonder Woman, who he would have trashed. In JLU, he was portrayed correctly. Reference “For The Man Who Has Everything”, the fights he has with Darkseid, and random scenes like him lifting a gigantic carrier out of the ocean while J’onn is lifting a tugboat.
Stop trolling, please.
Considering his showings in the comics, id say the cartoon was more accruate for someone like ironman then for someone like superman.
About scripts, this is a longshot but does anyone have The Dark Knight script?