Well the tier list for the lanters is like this:
Hal Jordan
kyle Rayner
Guy Gardner
Sinestro
John Stewart
He’s decent but not really the type of guy you would include in a team thats supposed to represent"the most powerful superheroes". I guess thats why I always questioned his placment in Bruce Timms JL, it seemed more like a desicion based of affirmative action then anything that was character related. I mean Kara did own him pretty bad afterall lol.
No, I would wager that at this point, the general public is far more familiar with John as the Green Lantern than with Hal. It’s not necessarily a good thing, but Hal has never gotten significant face time in a very recent, very popular television show. John has, and that matters a lot (even though JLU John is different from comics John).
It won’t be as big a deal to bring Barry in as Flash, because for the most part, the JLU storylines weren’t so contingent on the Flash’s true identity. It was only referenced a handful of times, and besides, JLU Wally is basically an unmarried version of Barry anyway.
Well when i fist watched the JL cartoons i always asked"hey…wasnt lantern white", and besides that i dont think the cartoon did enough for John to place him above Jordan.
The cartoon made John more visible. Not all of the people who watched the cartoon read the comics, and I’m pretty sure the cartoon had a bigger viewership than just about any comic today. Some teenager living in Sheboygan, WI might have never held a comic book before but he knows Green Lantern as John Stewart because he watched the show. People who grew up in the '70s probably enjoy John as well. You can’t fade the Neal Adams-drawn afro, baby.
There’s also the chance that people who go to the movie might be going to watch it because they think that Green Lantern is the guy from the Daily Show.
This hurt my brain. Zephy, please make it stop. :sad:
Yikes what’s the big deal. They put John Stewart in this movie, they say Hal Jordan was a GL of the past and they give him his own movie that took place around the same time the character was created, the 60s, everybody wins…
Yeah, you know that ain’t happening anytime soon. WB/DC have a really fucked-up idea of the intelligence of their audience. Remember, they’re keeping Batman out of Smallville because they’re worried people might get confused as to why there’s a totally different Batman in the movies.
Then again, maybe they’re right.
True but a lot of that is due to the stupid ass WB/DC embargo that keeps the exposure of characters limited. They want the Superman/Batman meeting to happen in a movie and not have a TV show steal it’s thunder. It’s the same reason why Batman villains were a no show on the last season of Justice League when they were on The Batman, why Batgirl was introduced on The Batman before Robin while he was on Teen Titans, why there’s no Wonder Woman on Smallville because they are/were trying to get a WW movie of the ground and so on. WB/DC is very territorial when it comes to stuff like that along with how much exposure everyone gets.
Yeah it’s pretty dumb but Marvel would have even more problems with characters meeting in live action movies due to different studios holding rights to different characters… Don’t hold your breath on a New Avengers movie that has Iron Man, Wolverine and Spider-Man all together… Or a multi crossover movie event like Secret Wars… Well I suppose all of the actors would ask for too much money anyway… :wasted:
also someone busted out the mental strength numbers in another gl thread and he was just under hal…he technically should be above him for being smart enough to store his power for just incase purposes. but ya know a blackman can’t be above the great white hope.
militant blackman>*
That’s an interesting thing you’re saying about cross-overs, sano, but The Batman already had a Superman cross-over.
Also, as someone who doesn’t read GL comics (or any non-humor comics, for that matter), I’m more comfortable thinking of John Stewart as GL because of the animated series.
Superman’s been on both Legion of Super Heroes and The Batman if that’s what you mean, that’s true. Maybe they loosened up a bit, but I doubt it… Prolly doesn’t matter with LOSH and The Batman being so far away and not using the same characters for the most part. Not saying there aren’t exceptions to the rule like Superman on Krypto’s show, but it’s not a rule anyway, it’s all about limiting character’s appearances.
If you mean Superman meeting Batman in a cartoon stealing thunder from a movie suits don’t think that way nor do they think the same audience who watches a cartoon watches Smallville. The audience who watches Smallville sees movies. So it’s a live action meeting that this is all about.
The thinking behind the embargo is, if you want Robin you should watch this show that’s on the air now and that’s the only place you will see him right now. If you want Joker you should watch this show. If you want Superman to meet Batman go see this movie, and so on. They don’t want every character to be available everywhere to expose you to different things. It’s still retarted though IMHO but I don’t run a company so what do I know…
I mean the part where you said Smallville or something would be stealing the thunder of a cross-over movie. But I suppose live action follows different rules.
The logic behind the cross-over thing is a bit retarded, but who knows maybe they will change there policy sometime soon. On the Lantern note, there is no way John is going above Hal. At best he might be above Sinestro (being very kind here) but he is mid tier at best. Jordan is the second most powerful member on the Leauge (next to only Superman) and Kyle rejected Godhood. I dont see any feats that suggest John should be higher on the list or above someone as powerful as Jordan, and wishful thinking doesnt count guys.
I seriously question the logic behind Johns inclusion, if the concept of the JL is to unite the most powerful superheroes under one building…then why have someone llike John over Kye and Jordan who are obviously way more powerful. I guess the only conclusion I can come to is because Johns black or something…which is really a retarded reason if you ask me.
the mere fact that john’s mental strength is stronger than kyle’s and guys puts him above them.
he thinks things out and has just incase plans…versus hal and kyles gun ho attitude.
Martian Manhunter > Supes. Real talk. And Batman > all of the JLA. More real talk.
I’d seriously rank MM > Supes any day of the weak.
LMAO are you guys serious lol, Wow you guys gotta read up or something cause this isnt even funny. Okay where do I start, regardless of Johns mental strenght there is no way in hell he can be mentioned in the same breath as Jordan and Kyle. Kyle rejected Godhood and Jordan is just all around a badass. The comics have always portrayed john as being less talented with the ring, he cant do the things John or kyle do…in fact he isnt above anyone on that list in terms of feats.
MM is a lot more powerful then John, but he is considerably lower then Superman by quite a large margin. Hell WW is above MM, in fact Jordan could solo WW and MM for a soild majority. Not to mention MM got owned by black adam who is essentially a superman level being…the only one on the team that could give superman a good fight is Jordan and possibly one of the flashes (Barry or Bart).
bart?! you just said bart could give clark a run for his money?! no pun intended
man you are just silly…too too silly.
john can’t do the things kyle and hal can do? well they can’t do some of the things he can do. The fact he’s mentally stronger means his abilities with the ring are stronger…now john wasn’t given the same opportunities as the others…he rejected godhood…thats nice…and that makes him better. you know john would do the exact same thing given the situation…yet somehow kyle is better for it?
I think you’re forgetting the part where Batman cheats. I like how you left Wally out of that, but that’s ok because we obviously know the Speedforce > Superman any day of the week.
Also, Black Adam owned up MM hard in WWIII because he tried getting in his mind. So yeah, Black Adam’s mental strength over MM, BUT MM can still make the JLA a bunch of catotonics.
And yes, John’s mental strength is too good. He may not do some of the overexaggerated shit that Kyle is known for, but each GL uses their rings in their own way.
The problem here is that"what ifs" and"could have"doesnt factor in when where talking about on panel feats. The wrtiers can say"John has powerful mental strength" but untill he does the things that Kyle did as oblivion or the things Jordan has done throughout his career John will continue to remain as a mid tier…which really conflicts with the premise of having top tier superheroes in one team.
Manhunter is elite but he isnt on Supes leauge. WW and Barry could take him out as well as either Kyle or Jordan. Like I said before, Jordan could easily solo WW and MM for a soild majority…hell Kyle or Hall would rip right through John 10/10. But u know this isnt a"vs" debate thread though so lets jsut drop it, John isnt that powerful and thats jsut the nature of the beast so lets move on now shall we.
this thread made my stomach hurt, until i got to see someone bigup black adam on page 4. gg DS.
honestly just reading about the dude who played angel in X3 as hal jordan made me get cancer on the eyes.