So do the new characters only have one alt? Juri’s was some street clothes, what is her second alt?
New characters only get 1 alt. Killey that headstomp is her j.Fierce. As for the initial hit of fireball in mid-combos, iirc it knocks down, so perhaps it can be used as a combo ender to set up oki.
ya I think a lot of times she will opt to sacrifice damage to set up really crazy oki.
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/03/10/yoshinori_ono_on_hakan/
So if you read this article…you’ll see that Ono describes Juri as “for beginners”. That leaves me feeling less than stellar, tbh. What do you suppose he means by that?
To me, it just means she’s easier to use/bring out her potential. It does not necessarily indicate or relate with how effective she would be at tournament-level matches. Ryu is more for beginners, no? And yet, he’s one of the top characters in the game.
Well…yes I expect a beginner character to be high tier. Maybe I’m looking at that wrong.
I mean… a Ryu can beat me using very basic, easy stuff…providing they are good at the game to begin with. I don’t really want Juri to be like that…and hope she isn’t.
Don’t worry too much about it LV. Ease of use does not make a character top or high tier, it all comes down to their tools and options. Rose is one of the most straightforward characters in SF4 but she’s only mid tier. Gouken, Honda, and Sim are also very straightforward but not top tier.
In the end, tier placement more or less comes down to options, tools, damage, and health, not ease of use. Though that might make her I don’t know, S tier on the very first tier list, while someone who’s game is hard to grasp at first, such as Hakan could be D tier at first or something
New characters only get a new alternate. Which is actually the way things were supposed to be. Originally Ryu and the rest of the old SFIV gang weren’t even going to get 3rd costumes. They decided ultimately to put the work in to give them 3rd costumes. Fei Long as Kato was almost not going to happen basically.
I don’t see how Ono can feel that Juri is going to be for “beginners”. Her move list alone won’t be for beginners. She’ll probably be for beginners like Rufus is for beginners. Get free j.HK to Ultra and EX messiahs here and there till someone sits on the ground and blocks your shit.
No to Juri being for beginners. I never mained an easy to use character.
There’s no way Juri can be for beginners. Has Ono even looked at her move set? That shit is going to send Ryu players straight back to…Ryu. :lol: If she’s easy mode like Rufus is then that just means she has a couple easy mode setups into her Ultra or some invincible EX shit but once people learn to be patient and bait that shit then they gotta rely on all of her other shit and there goes the easy mode.
Probably means that she doesn’t have tough links and has easy Ultra setups.
Yeah sounds like Rufus. Though using Juri to her full potential (just like Vanilla Ryu/Rufus) will require hard work. Yeah they got cheesy ass free damage setups here and there but good players will just patient that shit out and find the holes. Arguably Juri will require far harder work than either of them in the old game in order to bring her out to full potential. Plus low health = automatic disqualification for easy mode. Unlike Rufus I basically get a free win with Viper if they make a mistake. Part of what made the “beginner/easy mode” characters easy mode in SFIV was that they had solid or clearly above average health so people could block with their face (aka don’t block ever) and still come out with cheesy ass shit to win a championship battle here and there on Xbox Live. Juri is going to be dying on the first or second mistake against anyone remotely decent.
T.Hawk will arguably be more easy mode than Juri. Noobs and scrubs if they don’t pick Ryu, Ken or Sagat tend to gravitate towards characters that can block with their face and make up for their mistakes like Gief, Rog, Rufus and probably now T.Hawk.
I certainly won’t complain about easy to setup ultras and good invincible shit.
Yes I welcome this too as long as she has some more complicated flash to make me feel skilled. lol…or at least LOOK skilled ^_^;
In other words I don’t want to base my Juri game around stuff that anyone can learn after a day of practice, and have that stuff be as good or BETTER than the stuff that takes more timing and execution to pull off.
Trust me…Juri is not going to be much more easy mode than any other character that remotely resembled her in the original SFIV. You’re going to be putting in work with that character. Ono is just saying she has some basics like Rufus that will be easy to grasp and get a hold of. Though high level Rufus is just as timing and reaction intensive as any other character and so will Juri. If any of your matchups with have to rely on effectively spacing her fireball special or using her counter evades or properly spacing her ground based normals just like most other characters like her you are going to have your hands full with Juri.
If you really want an easier to use rush style character I think Rufus or Adon are about the closest you’re going to get. No one with the offensive capabilities of Juri is going to be anything but taxing to use at high level. Especially with low ass health? Now you’re forced to learn how to block and there’s enough people on Xbox Live who don’t have any blocking skills at all to prove that alone will be a challenge.
I’m pretty fine with it. Notice that all of her moves are quarter circles? Uh, yeah. But in a world where DPs are horrendous liabilities of overlapping inputs, that’s cool.
But then again, I don’t think Chun Li is half as hard of a character as some people either. Anyone I can hit confirm into Ultra without linking anything or a truckload of distinct inputs like an FADC and just dick people with pokes most of the rest of the time like A3 is pretty damn beginner friendly as far as I care, but I guess that’s the standpoint of not being a complete special move mashing retard. I’m back to being really interested in Juri again because, well first off I’ve seen some more new stuff that kind of confirms her Chun 2.0 status I vaguely suspected, and if given the choice of an equally interesting Ibuki and Juri from a gameplay standpoint, I’d sure as fuck rather have Juri’s execution level than Ibuki’s and get owned by scrubs for dropping shit for weeks.
While I appreciate that some people enjoy the challenges of tricky manoeuvres and timing, my personal feelings on the matter is that execution can go die in a fire 
If the characters I play turn out to be easy to pull the moves off for then all the merrier. Means I spend less time screaming in anger at the pad and more time using psychic skills to freak people out =D
I’ve been playing fighting games for a good long while now so execution usually isn’t an issue to be honest but there’s something about SFIV that makes me unreliable on even the most basic of moves at times.
Yeah Chun will definitely have a much stronger less execution intensive offensive game but I think that works out for her since Chun had to do a lot of work for sub par damage output in IV and that kept her out of top tier contention almost solely. My character Viper didn’t have a lot of good matchups but if there’s one character I’ve only lost to maybe once in a tournament it’s definitely Chun Li. I can actually make clear big mistakes against that character and guess right twice and win almost no issue. I practically pray people pick Chun at the character select screen during tournaments. Just because it’s a matchup where I can just free style and probably come out on top while she’s working just as hard as I am or harder to…lose.
Ya that was a little out of left field. I think what Ono(in his infinite Street Fighter knowledge eyesroll) is getting at is that she has a lot of user friendly moves. For instance she can activate ultra instead of trying to land one and just mash moves vs the opponent. Or she can just mash pinwheel instead of timing focus breakers. In reality she is up there with Viper and Ibuki in the sheer amount of options she has where carefully choosing the best decision becomes a complex task, though I feel she will be lacking in methods to push of pressure. Either way I do not see many players using her at all, if Viper is any indicator there will be small group of highly skilled ones in the US, unless she is godlike then prepare for the bandwagon hoppers 
Juri is not for beginners.