…against Bison though, fuck Bison.
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XD love it.
Try this vs EX psycho. After sweep, dash fwd, cr.MK whiff(preferably plinked), immediate st.LP ~ throw OS. Time the throw at the end of the LP so that if the LP hits the throw wont come out. It’ll beat the ex psycho you just have to find the right timing and practice it. Under FSE a LK will be chained after the LP on block, but without FSE the throw is ignored.
If you want I’ll make a video on how it looks but it’ll be after this weekend as Im I’ll be working on something else first.
Its not worth it, Bison can still escape by backdashing, teleporting, headstomping, devils reverse, Ex scissor or Ultra. By OSing Expinwheel/Hkpinwheel you already cover both halves of his options.
Also youve overcomplicated your setup to include too much human error, theres alot easier ways of going about it to achieve the same result.
I doubt you will find a single set up that covers every single one of his options, thus the reason I only mention ex psycho since that what your post was about? And ex pinwheel and Hk pinwheel doesnt beat ex psycho?
I’d tell you to try it (again) but you’ve already made up your mind, I wonder if that was after you tried it… Well if you had tried it what you could’ve seen was that 4 things could have happened. It worked, you did it to early but it traded, you did it too late and you blocked, or you did it too late and got hit.
And the reason I suggested this “overcomplicated” set up was because of your view that if things arent “automatic timing” then its useless. So if you have changed on that stance well then use a Mp instead of a MK, it wont matter as the throw has to be inputted at the same instance either way.
OS Expinwheel beats: Backdash, Ex PC, EX Scissor kick, Ex Headstomp
OS Hkpinwheel beats: Backdash, teleport and avoids headstomp and devils reverse
i have “automatic” timing setups for Bison off knockdowns already where i can choose which pinwheel to OS, thus covering the widest array of wakeup options. I was giving advice on your setup and implied you should come up with something easier to minimize human error, but if you want to keep it that way whatever works for you.
Tell me the OS EX PW that beats ex psycho and I’ll give it a try. AFAIK ex PW beats all those you meantion EXCEPT ex psycho. So if you got an OS that includes beating an ex psycho I’d love to hear it. And again, OS HK PW will not beat ex psycho, so why mention it. In your post you were talking about ex psycho, not which technique covers the most options. So… my set up covered ex psycho. Again, I’d like to hear your OS that beats ex psycho.
EX Psycho Crusher counts as a projectile, so it loses to anything with projectile invincibility.
Anyway, who cares if you have a few bad matchups? The game is never going to have 5/5 matches across the board.
I never gave mention to wakeup Ex PC which Juri does have answers for. I was reffering to neutral game.
This is true.Until after I suggested the OS to beat EX psycho, which doesnt require meaty timing. Since OS works on either neutral or vs wake up, it shouldnt matter what state Bison is in. Unless it requires a meaty. So which OS was it that beats EX psycho? How is it done.
edit: And this should be a good one, since it seems to beat everything but a teleport
I seriously have no idea what point your trying to prove by now. I also cant make any sence of what youve just typed out, but then again best i dont.
Okay let
OK let me reword it. The OS I suggested doesnt require meaty timing, as in, both characters are neutral.It just so happens that Im using a normal+dash to time it. So it will work whether its on wake up or not, assuming Bison ex psychos the exact moment I press the button.
My point? I’d like to hear this OS you got that will beat EX psycho, because AFAIK, you cannot OS AND beat ex Psycho, the timing does not coincide, its not possible. But you say that you have an OS that does this. So lets hear it, Im literally ready to try it out.
Knockdown, Jump RH~EX.Pinwheel >.> As long as your jump-in isn’t too deep, it’ll beat EX.PC. At least from what I remember… The “not too deep” part is the tricky part =(
What i rarely do, which i should do more to beat ex pc, is ex mid fuhajin so you can hit him out of the move with a meaty or don’t take any damage and punish him on the recovery.
Don’t argue with mike. He’s just gonna say “I have stuff I’m not sharing”.
Both Sako and Yang are definitely male!!!
lmao, tell u what, no problem.
I love doing that lol. You can land U2 or cl.st.hp xx EX pinwheel after negating its projectile properties. Nothing wrong with making an educated guess. At worst, you get chip damage and a safe jump or safe dive kick, at best you get a great punish on EX PS.
Another thing I love doing is simply jb.mp. Hits EX PS every time and puts Bison in a juggle state where you can: jump EX dive kick xx U2 / M Super / EX pinwheel / jf.mp, st.lk, dash under, hit confirm.
I’m gonna practice that godlike OS that beats everything though.
Tried it and it worked. The jump and the PW part need to be delayed to the exact time. Also you cant press a button when landing otherswise a special will come out instead of a normal because of the delay needed. Seems like alot of “human error” waiting to happen, so probably useless.Trades w/ ex scissors , but I didnt spend more than 2 min. on it.Im over it.
Here’s one I dont remeber which normal I used but I think it works for both. If you have an inlkin’ that they are gonna ex psycho or you train them to, this works. First, set them up, by doing sweep, dash, cr.MK/MP whiff. The mp will leave you @ +5 and the mk @ +1. Anyways, set it up by doing the mk one and use it to landed an almost meaty throw. The next time they see this pattern again, might make them ex psycho.
Do the same pattern, but instead jump back. You can juggle them w/ a lk pw fadc to ultra after you land. Also have time to FSE and land a medium attack if you’re use ultra1. I dont remember if I used the MK or MP on the jump back but I think it should work for both. From the jump back you can also reg/ex divekick if they chose something else.
Out of all of Bison’s reversal escapes, his EX.Scissor is quite possibly the worst -_-; Taking that into account it’s a safe bet that no Bison right in their mind is ever going to wake up against a safe-jump with EX.Scissor =P Also, I usually don’t follow my OS’s with any buttons 'cause I like the block option =) But it’s nice to know that there’s such a restriction against this option.
Unfortunately, there’s no such thing as a move that covers all options; Godhand does not exist for us in the Fighting Game Community >.> The best we can do is cover as many as we can, while making reads on our opponents to get to as close to Godhand as possible.