Judging an opponent based on their character choice

Classic Fighting Games Ultra Street Fighter IV
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It’s a horrible habit that most online players probably have.
I really need to get rid of it but most of the time my experience once the match starts just reinforces the habit, which then screws me over whenever I fight, say, a Ken that doesn’t suck.

I disagree, balance can come from two ways:
Homogenization, characters are hilariously similar, games are starting to implement this sort of thing in non-extreme ways (Tekken 6, everyone has a 10f and no faster moves exist, for example) however a game with severely similar characters will be balanced if the devs are not braindead. But that’s boring as hell.

However, the other part cannot even theoretically exist, if there is a cast of significantly different characters, even if the tier lists themselves say “every character is good” certain characters will be difficult to fight against as one character, and easy as another, and if you try and balance this, everything gets thrown out of whack (Again, assuming the tier lists are perfectly balanced)
buff one character to try and resolve their problems with fighting against someone? The matchup is even worse for every character who had a negative matchup with him beforehand, and if you try and buff THEM, the people who had a negative matchup against THEM will be worse-off again.
Know what that leads to?
30 minute character selection.

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Did you read the brackets? Your first part gets nullified by “Note that these thoughs always force the diversity aspect […] to stay intact”.

And the other part can exist (though hilariously difficult to achieve and would probably be better off patching the game less and leaving it in a ~close state), since I never talked about matchups. Yeah, if you keep diversity intact, some characters will have bad matchups against others. As long as the amount of good/bad matchups is about the same for all characters plus there’s no “autoloss” matchups, the game as a whole is balanced (would still be balanced technically with the autoloss ones, but this is dropping skill ceiling heavily, see RPS)
If your mains matchup against X is 4-6 and you got some experience under your belt it’s most likely going to be easier for you to play it than choose a different character who is 6-4 against X, so the massive character swaps are not an issue.

Note: I’m not talking about achieving picture perfect balance or anything of the sort. I just challenged the statement that people always dislike nerfs on their main character.

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I assume everyone is Daigo until halfway through the second round or so.

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Juri - The fuck am I supposed to do here? God damn it I have no experience with this match!
Dan - cool dude, I’ll send him a GG message even if I lose.
Yun - ffffuuuu
Fei - f’ my life.
Yang - hmmm I wonder if he is any good.
Akuma - great. I’m either going to win while fighting an extremely annoying “zoning” match of jump back air fireball / ground fireball. Or lose because of an extremely annoying vortex. (I use the term zoning loosely since 90% of the people who do that with Akuma aren’t really actually THINKING about what they are doing and are just hoping for an easy win again a bad player.)

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  1. SC isn’t a fighting game
  2. In Japan, all the best players ARE using the best characters Yun/Yang/Fei/Akuma/Sagat
  3. We don’t fucking need a 50 character roster in a 1v1 fighting game. 20-25 is more than enough
  4. It’d be a terribly boring new game
  5. Why should anyone care if there are 32 different characters in top 32? I’d rather have only a few different characters with a lot of strong options that actually make rounds funny rather than having to watch 32 different crippled characters with half assed offensive options that only make for boring games.

Anyways, everyone has their own opinions I guess.

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If I’m to go by anything it’s PP, it’s far more true to how smart a player plays than anything else.

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dudley- recommend and add friend, duds are very fun to play with

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I assume that every Ken I see is a flowcharter or just some punk that chose him because he’s a more stylish version of Ryu. The fucked up part is that I’m always using Ken myself when I make this judgment.

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Makoto Random Hayate all day? That’s a Makoto you should be happy as hell to be playing against.

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*Akuma, Ryu, Ken - *This guy has no idea how to play the game.
*Gen - *I have no idea what this guy is doing.
***Seth ****- *:smiley: I’m gonna add this guy after the game! **(10 seconds into the match) **- Nevermind…he’s probably just trying new characters…
***Yun, Yang, Fei **- *
*

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God damn I can’t stop laughing

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I judge my opponent based on their PSN avatar

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Whether you like it or not, you’re going to end up judging someone by their character choice. What you need to do then is to learn how to make the “correct judgement” based on it. Instead of “this guy is playing Ryu so he must be new,” you should instead think “this guy is playing Ryu, so he’s likely going to play keepaway.”

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Abel, either going to blow me up or some scrub who likes his curly hair.
Adon, most likely a scrub whos going to dp all day and get rocked
Akuma, fuck this shit i quit
Balrog, see akuma (bad match up)
Blanka, most defiantly a scrub, if not i might as well quit.
Cammy, dive kicks all day, could be a dping scrub, or a skilled cunt
Chun Li, most likely someone who isnt hooooorrible, but not likely the best
C. Viper, fuck this shit im going home.
Dan, i dont respect people for picking low tier, so its just a normal fighter for me.
Dee Jay, prob gunna turtle and hk all day.
Dhalsim, prob a scrub looking for easy wins on other scrubs.
Dudley, either a scrub using him because he looks fun, or someone whos going to wreck me
E. Honda, check for turbo at the end
El Fuerte, dick head who picked the worst character to watch.
Evil Ryu, picked him cuss hes DARK
Fei Long, tiiiieeerrr whoooreee
Gen, respect for the hard character choice.
Gouken, scrub who picked him for the backwards throw, or champ who ends my world.
Guile, lamerboy
Guy, i will never learn this matchup and i will never try
Hakan, best coolest person alive!!! (my character)
Ibuki, glorified fuerte
Juri, picked her cuss they want them tits
Ken, nub
M. Bison, scrub who likes him cuss he does what he wants when he wants
Makoto, tier whore who doesnt want to be that much of a tier whore, tho he still is.
Oni, DRAGON DRAGON BALL, DRAGON BALL Z!!!
Rose, time for some pokes and shit
Rufus, i guess it would be fun to fight rufus for the first time this month.
Ryu, nub
Sagat, scrub who plays for the W
Sakura, dem mixups dont touch hakans air grab or spd
seth, POOOOOOONGKOoooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOooooooooo
T. Hawk, picked him because hes a scrub and wants easy scrub wins against other scrubs
Vega likes boys
Yang tier tier tiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeerrrrrr
gief, wants them easy wins on scrubs, simple scrub character.

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I think you meant this to be Yun, who is missing from your list.

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whenever i meet a Honda,Blanka or Bison with 10K+ BP i just assume it’s some scrub who only know’s one thing which he abuses online…9 times out of 10 i’m right, & they rarely ever stick around for a second match after gettin beat or barely winning

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yea, i know i was to lazy.

and nawww

yun, is a tier whorer at its finest.

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I only judge the opponents after they beat me soundly no matter the character

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Ryu= scrubby nubby, no matter how good or bad they are
Ken= One of two types, ones who mash dp and ones who know nothing but kara throw
Akuma = This will either be easy or frustrating in the extreme
Sagat = Lets see if he knows what he is doing
Gouken = Are you insane? Why pick this joke of a character?
Adon = lag tactics 2nd only to blanka
Blanka = God tier in lag
Balrog = The retardinator
Cammy = Lets see how good you are without the TKCS crutch
Cody = Just annoys me for some reason
Chun-li = Mash ex-legs harder
C.Viper= Mash ex-sismo, almost win EVO. No respect for a character that doesn’t play footsies and gets to ignore them for huge dmg on a single guess.
Dan = If you doin’t superjump taunt once at least your doing it wrong
DeeJay = Either is really good or is going to be mauled
Sim= Could go either way
Dudley= No idea what to think about diddles
Honda= Ugh gonna hate this fight
Elf= See viper, no respect is given
Evil Ryu = Slightly less scrubby nubby but still scrubby nubby
Fei Long= Dependant on players skill and my mood
Gen = Do you know how to do more than Wall Dive? If you don’t you lose
Guile = This fight sucks worse than Honda
Guy = One trick pony, but sadly its an effective trick if you can’t counter it. Elbow drop all day
Hakan = Gouken ver 2 at least till the 2012 update
Ibuki = Do you know more than the Kunai mixup? If not you lose
Juri = If you aint Juicebox you suck, period
Abel = See Juri
M.Bison = Lets see if you know the mirror lol
Makoto = Oh so you hopped onto the butterface train now that she got overbuffed did you?
Oni = This isn’t going to be hard unless he gets a read on me with 2 bars and ultra
Rose = Wow she sucks so much now
Rufus = This fight is going to be stupid
Sakura = This fight just sucks, if she gets two touches then I am stunned
Seth = Its what happens if you gave Yun a projectile and chuns stomps
T.Hawk = Butter churner with a few less get off me options
Vega = Impossible to use correctly in lag due to frame data hating him
Yang = Has Yun’s stupidity but at the very least he requires a small amount of effort
Yun = Effortless dmg and mixups
Zangief = Fuck jab spd

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I judge like that all the time, but only to prepare myself for the matchup at hand and what it usually consists of. Those that aren’t mentioned are either played as they should be, or just generally not worth a special label.

Akuma - Fullscreen jump back air hado. Can’t be bothered with rushdown.
Blanka - Either random trolls, or mixup-crazy bastards.
C.Viper - True/False. 1/0. On/Off. Yin/Yang. No dynamics, only victories and defeats.
Cammy - Everything revolving around TKs. Extinct in AE.
Cody - Just block, don’t push a button. For the love of god, I said block!
Dan - Saikyo~! You need to taunt more.
Deejay - Loopers.
El Fuerte - They feel random, being random myself beats them. Seemingly no strategy required.
Evil Ryu - Surprise tactics, living off of being an unexplored matchup.
Fei Long - Their goal is set in stone. Ends justify the means.
Gen - Who?
Gouken - Would be awesome if they actually knew their character.
Guy - What the hell is going on?! Stop moving all over the place!! D:
Hakan - Abuses lack of matchup knowledge of the playerbase to troll them.
Ibuki - Get off my face! D:
Juri - Akuma syndrome. Dive kicks all day. No combos, no nothing.
Ken - Casuals/Flowcharts/Kara-masters
M.Bison - Forced to bicycle kick loop most of the time.
Makoto - NEVER underestimate.
Oni - Slashers, ridiculously obvious air demon baits.
Sagat - Either noobs or twisted firestarters.
Sakura - Neutral jumpers.
Seth - Crazy rushing walljumpers. Risking way too much.
Vega - Excessive wall-huggers.
Yang - They show some mercy.
Yun - AE’s version of Vanilla Sagat. Used either by noobs who try to lower their handicap, or good players who obliterate all opposition.
Zangief - One-trick ponies