C’mon, lets not derail teh thread this way. plz!
Giving a SSN for a W-2 from what I remember is only required if the total earned is $600 or more, u might need to double check though [laws change]. From past experience from prize stuff/gambling, less than $600 companies usually let you self report. Not sure about W-9.
Hopefully John Nelson and other parties that had direct relations with him & TL can come here state their side and hopefully tell the truth and give actual facts of what happened present and past.
There is a lot that we do not know.
Team Hori not going to Australia going for Shadowloo Showdown 2011 was OBV since it was in the promo trailer that Team Hori would attend, so I do not know how one can BS their way out of that one. One of JN’s go to plays is to play the victim when shit goes horrendously wrong, blame everyone/everything but himself or state the reason things are wrong is some catastrophic unforeseen event that he is blameless for. He uses that play 1 too many times, JN needs to take responsibility for his actions and have issues worked out or what ever needs to be done to make sure everything run smoothly for his events. He has lied to people and failed to deliver on what he was required to do too many times, which is why one cannot give him the benefit of the doubt any more. Wolfkrone’s, Omniscythe’s, DiosX’s, Toxy’s, and other qualifier’s non existent Rev2011 qualifier hotel room, Those guys that won the Tatsunoko event that were promised copies of marvel that eventually got paid by being persistent and hounding JN for payment after he could not send the copies, LordKnight’s stick that he is still owed, Red Rapper’s money for renting equipment/doing work, [these are just a few of what I read in this thread] ETC ETC ETC… It is a lot of these issues that most people do not know that make JN untrustworthy, someone the FGC should avoid, and STOP SUPPORTING.
I wish Yuki from Hori USA could post in here and give his story of his dealing with JN/TL and Team Hori Debacle.
But I guess it is okay if JN/TL pays out big “GUARANTEED” Pots, does not personally screw you over directly, or takes extra good care of you. Maybe it is okay he pays you to TWEET and PROMOTE and say positive things about his tourneys, but screws over others past and present. Maybe these people did not get compensated for doing these things and are just over zealous or really hype about a good tourney. But what do I know, I am just a hater and a random scrub hating on people’s hustle.
It especially sucks when you know or have an idea a TO or an Event is shady or people that got screwed over by them, it would be better to send a message to them that the community wont support them. I applaud/respect a lot of these people that avoided Rev2012, for some it was in their best financial interest to be there and they decided to not support [probably would of won money too if the pots do get paid out]. Some people that decided to attend [did not like, no one gives a shit/my opinion is not important], they need/want to compete, make money, pay bills, financial obligations, sponsor obligations, have fun, etc etc, I understand. What I cannot understand is some attendees knowing they are shady, attend the event, shit goes wrong, then start to complain and look for sympathy/support when things go wrong. Can’t have it both ways if one knew about the shady stuff that happened in the past or the shady nature of TL. These prominent players let the community down a little because they were encouraging people to support a bad organization. It would be better just to attend if you are going to a questionable TO’s event and not shill for them, which some attendees did. Hopefully this is the last time the FGC supports JN/TL.
Some of JN/TL supporters love to spin the facts to favor/protect him [maybe because they have an interest & are not impartial or maybe they are truth seekers that turn a blind eye at random times]. For instance on the hazmat stream, commentators were saying [check stream archives] that the SFxT pot was still $5k on saturday after KOF got canceled. Like it was fine and it never got lowered and nothing of the sort happened/or was attempted. Then why was there a shit storm: people complaining in tweets, complaining in person at tournament [ Some of the attendees in person were kind of SILENT on TWITTER when the attempted pot reduction occurred but were very enthusiastic/vocal on twitter before Rev2012 started 
], and the complaining on forums. Must of been just a bunch of rumors, false accusations, and a bunch of haterz hatingz.
This is the misleading BS that is so reprehensible.
After TL tried to lower the “GUARANTEED” pot/bonus pot by 90% from $5k to $500. People threw a shit fit, then TL conveniently decides to raise it back to the original promised $5k after KOF people peaced out [$3k pot not needed to be worried about] or maybe they raised it back before KOF people left, DOES NOT MATTER, NEVER SHOULD OF BEEN AN ISSUE. Read Lando’s posts in the thread, they did try to lower the $5k and were wishy-washy on the pot amount for SFxT, this is because the turn-out for SFxT was not as big as TL expected. WTF is “GUARANTEED” then? It does not matter if 2 people show up and enter, you gotta pay what you “GUARANTEE” otherwise dont Guarantee anything, dont do bait and switch tactics.
Oscar [The Answer] and the KOF crew heard about the shit storm and supposed pot discrepancies on friday. So they wanted to be sure before they played people were going to be paid what was promised, he was called/texted at midnight the night before asked by JN if “the KOF guys were going to still show up”, lol wtf u srsz? This probably gave Oscar a little to worry about, why would JN call the night before to ask if they were still going to show? Do TOs of a major do this kind of thing? If a TO of a major does something like this it would make me worry that entrants might get screwed over and lower my trust in the TO.
On Saturday, the KOF guys were worried and wanted to be sure they were going to be paid out what was promised. The KOF guys’ stream after canceling and leaving Rev2012 explained in detail what happened with reenactments by Romance [playing JN & Combofiend, done masterfully btw] said that they wanted 1 of 3 below
[check stream archives]
-To hold a cheque for the $3k
-A verbal promise / “GUARANTEE” from John Nelson to promise $3k was going to be paid out 100% for sure.
Oscar said JN could NOT do any 1 of those 3 things. You would think the 3rd on the list would be no problem, the TO of a major cannot verbally back up his promoted “guaranteed” pot, scumbag move. So KOF guys huddled up as a group and decided to leave and hoped they get a full refund instead of playing the whole tournament and possibly not get paid.
WHEN IT SHOULD BE 100% no problem you are going to get paid and verbal assurances should be absolutely no problem since it was heavily advertised.
The streamers/commentators of Rev2012 SPUN it like TL was walked out on by the KOF community and did not got into detail why they left [hinting TL is not to blame]. Fucking despicable. Watch the stream archive and make your own informed opinion, I am probably just a random fucking hater. Dont play innocent and give a slanted view that the tournament host has done nothing wrong, that people are haters, and everything is fine. They made it seem like KOF people were very unreasonable and were asking for something outrageous, all JN had to do was back up verbally what he heavily promoted. Plus they did not even have proper arrangements for set ups to run KOF and JN asked if KOF people brought any set ups. LOL
Towards the end on the last day of the Rev 2012 stream you got FChamp and Fanatiq on commentary saying this thread on SRK is a bunch of haters and hinted that this thread is probably misleading/untrue. Fanatiq was being sarcastic and said something along the lines of everything in this thread is 100% true [insinuating that this thread is incorrect/buyest/hating on TL]. He says there is two sides to the story, goes on to promote AGE stuff, and tried to make it seem this SRK thread is on a witch hunt against TL/JN, [WATCH THE STREAM ARCHIVE] fucking despicable. SHILL MUCH??!?!?! When almost all of what is in this thread is the truth but the majority of it is not coming from “prominent” players. Again I am probably just a haterz, knocking on people trying to get their hustle on.
FChamp I can understand a little why he is supporting, when he won AE at SCR 2010 got paid out the $5k after beating Diago, and what ever other money he won from TL/JN events. But he probably knows something is wrong when his supposed “uncle” or other prominent player friends are not attending Revelations 2012. Some people/organizations having closely worked with TL in the past are not showing support. Probably just a coincidence. Wonder how strong one’s support/resolve would be for TL/JN if there were no “guaranteed pots” or if one did not get preferential treatment for attending? Should not be trying snow people on the stream like everything is okay with TL and that there were just minor problems during this event. When TL/JN are a major cancer to the FG community.
Fanatiq, FChamp, or anyone that thinks this thread or what I stated is false/wrong, if you get a chance to read this, Can you post and explain why we in this thread are “incorrect” or just a bunch of haters as you stated on Hazmat’s Rev2012 Stream. Or give your side why we should support TL/JN or why the statements in this thread are false, if so which ones?
Fanatiq directly knew about TL/JN shady-ness or had some idea because he had Tournament Legacy “sponsorship” right after EVO 2011. I saw TL Fanatiq under TL branding on a WNF stream, Also remember watching a stream of his on twitch.tv a few months back saying Mike Ross let him know he needed to be weary of John Nelson & TL and keep his distance from him [words that came out of Fanatiq’s mouth in his stream]. Shortly after he got sponsored by TL he parted ways with TL just after getting sponsored. If Fanatiq knew something was wrong about TL/JN’s, had a shady past, had some ideas of the wrongs committed by him. Is it not disingenuous of him to tell stream viewers that this thread is a bunch of rumors & haters on hazmat’s stream? Or if Fanatiq or anyone can tell us why we in this thread are wrong about TL/JN by being overly hateful and harsh on them.
Prominent players many times ask for the FGC & companies & people’s support for this and that, How about prominent players also support the FGC back & let the people not in the loop know the whole truth [good & bad] and make an informed decision.
I think Fanatiq should as he says best, “Better NOGGGGGITOFF.”
Fanatiq’s AGE, shirt, other various promotions on the streams are teh best. His promos are great, I will make sure to use the promo discount codes he mentioned on streams and tell everyone I know to buy lots and lots of the products he heavily promotes because he says they are so great. We as the FGC community can trust in what Fanatiq haz to say. He is so great, what he has to say is so great. Must go buy all the great stuff he mentioned. Everything is great…great…great…great
], and the complaining on forums. Must of been just a bunch of rumors, false accusations, and a bunch of haterz hatingz.