If cole and tanaka were beasts back in norcal. then they come up here. play with us seattle ppl. then they go back to norcal and dont do nearly as well as they did in the past.
why is that?
why did everyone else in norcal level up, but these 2 from norcal didnt get as good as the rest of their old scene.
take some responsibility.
I take responsibility for tekken performance. I am one of the tops of the tekken scene. Its my fucking job to make sure other players from seattle are up to par. All you fuckers love to talk about ric and his teachings, but noone really follows his teachings. I realized my failure. I dont see why you guys dont see yours.
I dont know the rest of the seattle SF crew. I just know these 2.
Oh btw. you dont want me to post on SRK because i dont play super SF?
I will never shut up. I will keep posting how i feel because i care. I will keep pointing out flaws till they are fixed.
Are my ideas and suggestions not valid? I care about your scene more than most of your players. only reason im so harsh is because i want SF and esports to suceed. sometimes the frustration builds and i get angry. But i still think seattle is freattle, and we need a LOT more work to gain our marvel beast status back.
I know we need to grow but Freeattle is fuckin annoying…just because YOU are free doesn’t mean the rest of us are. I played against Cali’s best and saw where I was at, not far off…as well I watched tanaka play and peachy play and both held their own. GTFO with this Freeattle bullshit.
once again, KKF is not the one saying “freeseattle” It was on the god damn stream. OTHER PEOPLE were saying this, KKF is just repeating what fools were saying about us in NCR.
So yes Bokkin, people thought we were free. We all got rocked. I droped the fuckin ball too cause I have been practicing wrong as well and been to caught up trying to get through most of the NW heads and failing hard. I mean i always ask myself what can I do different to help NW see the light. Reality was, it wasnt my place to make you guys see the light. You have to see it yourself, my only responsiblity is to provide a nice enviornment and venue for players that truly want to improve. If im doing that and we have our facility, then iv done my job. I cant force people to see the light, u have to come to it on your own accord.
Some people have, which is why Dugg started the thread. Others are waking up, but lets just not get on each other cause one persons constructive criticism is a little harsh. We need to hear it, and that also stands true to Mickeys posts as well. A lot of people COMPLETELY misunderstand mickey and then they come at him hard. Now granted sometimes he is in the right sometimes in the wrong, but lets live in the now. The now says, Seattle needs to hear the harsh truth. We can no longer sugar coat it, we need to practice and play smarter, we are not behind others we are only behind in our mental status. We have the skills and the ability, we just neeed to think differently that is all. We need to support each other.
LOL man, part of being a man is taking responsibility for your own actions and shortcomings. That’s called having accountability. I’ll never take responsibility for someone else’s failure, I’m sorry. I like how you automatically put those two on a pedestal as if we’re subhuman or something. If you wanna feel that way about yourself or your personal game, be my guest. So, let’s go with your Cole/Tanaka example then. Okay, if I recall, I beat Cole in a grand final shortly after he moved to Seattle at Narrows. Whose fault is that? Was that our fault? According to you it has to be our fault. Me outplaying Cole? Preposterous! The man is a two time Evo champion, and I’m just a mere human that was born here, in Seattle. Where there are no good players. Where people are free. Where people will forever continue to be free. To me a true champion overcomes, regardless. If you’re really the better man, you’ll win right? I mean, that should be a given. Michael Jordan was drafted by the shitty ass Chicago Bulls who never did shit, and what happened then? Six championships later and they’ve got the best team in all of NBA history.
And don’t talk to me about failure and how I don’t realize where I failed, cause if you really knew what was up, you would know not to go there with me. I’m asking you how you can try to question and criticize the people of a particular scene with which you aren’t very educated. Sure you live at the dojo, but are you really playing SF like that? Are you really apart of these events? Are you really entering SF events outside of Seattle? Cause um…I’m pretty sure you aren’t. I wouldn’t talk about Tekken cause guess what? I like to think that my participation in Tekken, mirrors your participation in SF, except that well, I participate in events. I guess it’s kinda like a respect thing, I wouldn’t try to air your guy’s dirty laundry out there like that or try criticizing you guys but maybe common courtesy is an outdated concept. Hm…gotta ponder on that one for a bit with this pepsi!
i think this community is a team. i think every single person shares the responsibility.
the most recurring thing i have heard is from the dank’s mouth.
"seattle is different from other gaming scenes, in seattle we dont just play games together, we are friends out side of the game"
I Take responsibilty when my friends fail. I always try hard to make sure my friends are successful.
I feel that we succeed together, or we fail together.
seems like I can only be friends with your clic only if i never challenge your guys authority, and blindly agree with anything the group decides to say.
IF I am not important since because in your eyes i dont play the game and dont have the “insider knowledge” you should ignore me.
Even though I don’t play SF now and been out of the SF scene since Loki’s, but I agree with both Cole and KKF post. Like what Cole was saying put your ego’s aside and look at the bigger picture.
I mean look at back in the day were people thought Seattle was a threat. It goes far back to the pit days when the cannon brothers were dominating at alpha 2 and the silver coin days were you had Rat beasting on Marvel, Billy beasting on ST,cvs2 at quarters and landworx those days people respected Seattle, but thing that was diffrent back then was Seattle was one as a whole people would check their ego’s at the door and everybody was training together as Seattle not for themselves or their little click or other bullshit like that.
Oh on the contrary, I encourage you to challenge my ideas/thoughts/concerns if…
A-It’s not negativity disguised in the form of “keepin it real” or a “reality check” because Seattle didn’t exactly kill shit at NCR. With that said, the people that were at the event, realize that. The people at home who witnessed the event realize that as well. Nobody’s happy about that performance. Nobody was circle jerkin after that. Everybody is on the same page as far as how to improve. Having constructive criticism to dish out doesn’t mean you go around dissing the shit out of people. Or…maybe you do and you call it “deconstructive criticism” or something of that nature.
B-You were actually apart of what you’re dissing. You say we’re a team, but you aren’t slugging it out in SF with us against everyone else. Instead you’re kinda watching us and criticizing us for our performances. Not very team like right? Like I kinda joked about before, I don’t speak badly of your Tekken endeavors. Never would, because you’re my friend. I respect you. Now show us that same respect, that I (and others) show you.
And what’s my click? Dick Punch? Cause last I checked you were in it, it is in your sig after all =P.
wow…yeah the only person to probably say that kind of shit is Magnus…that dude makes an ass out of himself during the WHOLE fucking stream…if you were in the MM room like I was you would see what they thought. I was getting comments lie “Looks like Seattle has been in the training room”. Now I lost alot of MM’s (wong/Hugo/Lamerboi/Ross) but the only one where I got rocked was Wong. EVERY other MM was 3-2, with one being 3-1. I did not get rocked. Just like at NCR. I lost two times…both came down to the last match. Against gootecks it came down to the LAST round LAST 30%. I don’t what is up with this “getting rocked idea”. Duncan was ONE match away from top 32. Peachy WAS top 32. I’m not say we did well. But it’s not like we went down there…didn’t get a round and wander back up heads to the ground like we absolutley outplayed. I saw where I was and where others were. We are NOT far off. With this negativity those with that mentality are that far off though.
The idea of a wake-up call or a reality check being a solution to “the problem,” seems to me like a quick fix idea. Things are the way they are here for a reason, and one big event or “wake up call” isn’t going to change everything all at once for the better. I realize a lot of people also realize this and have been working hard, publicly and privately, to really do things to change it, but this whole idea of “We don’t realize how free we are.” being the problem is wrong.
The scene is not as accessible as it needs to be to really grow and encourage competition. You can hold open sessions at people’s houses, but no matter how chill you are, or open to newcomers, it is still someone’s house. It doesn’t have the accessibility and anonymity that an arcade allows for people to come, go, watch, play, chill, sample, invite or wander in off the street that an arcade offers. You can’t take ownership of someone’s house the same way you can an arcade. It is always their place. An arcade, while technically owned by someone, is the communities arcade, and the openness and access to it by anyone at anytime is a big part of what helps bring in new players. I think a strong growing community will undoubtably create strong players, and it is what is really lacking.
That’s true about the arcade, back in the early 90s $2 was all i brought with me when i go to the arcades. That would last me about 4hrs. The thing is that its usually 1 cab that’s the main focus, people will surround it & meticulously watch & ask questions to the good players. Now days there’s like 4 or 5 setups that’s free to play & people doing their own thing. Its like having unlimited continues or the up up down down left right left right b a start code. We have no money to lose, no sense of urgency to make sure we are at our best at all times. People will do stupid shit or do high risk moves that wouldnt work 85% time but since nothing is on the line, they do that shit anyway. That’s a bad habbit waiting to fail.
A lot of the new blood probably never had the arcade competition feeling. Having rivalries, lots of randoms who wanted to push you off the top of the hill. People had that King of the Hill mentality where they wanted to be known as the top player for that game.
A suggestion is that maybe when you guys do your gatherings, you guys have to put up quarters to play & insert it some kind of cookie jar or some shit like that. Winner stays! The money you guys earn can fund big events like Northwest Majors.
I seem to remember a REAL TALK post by Frank being RIGHT HERE earlier. I thought it was a good read.
A lot of us know what we need to work on. Elias had a dope post. Mandel had some dope posts. Cole had some dope posts. Mickey had some dope posts. The thread is pretty much full of quality shit, even if it rubs you the wrong way. One thing people will learn about me is that I’m honest. Fucking honest with myself. I know I’m incredibad. I know what I need to be doing, though. Even though I haven’t played this game in a month, I know more than I did. How is this possible? Because I know what makes me look like a fucking clown, and I know how to not do it, but before I took a break, I would do it anyway.
Niggas need to investigate some real, deep introspection. I watched the stream. I saw fuckups. I saw Peachy get sent to losers, then mash on niggas with rose. Freeattle? GTFOHWTBS. Real talk. Shit’s weak to even think that this area is all shitty players because another area did better. Come on with that shit. **Last year, LAR had EC players calling THE WHOLE WC free. **
Man, I don’t even where I’m going with this. People talk about how practice will make you change your mindset. It won’t. That’s not what practice is for. You gotta use your noodle to change your mindset. Even when you’re not playing, if you know the framedata and hitboxes for your character, thing of setups. Think of how to improve the matchups. Think of combos. Frametraps. Escapes. Pressure strings. Whatever. It doesn’t matter. Even if you don’t have time to play the game, play it when you’re not playing it.
Yeah, some of us have jobs. Some of us have school. A lot of us have girlfriends/boyfriends/wives/husbands/pets/plants, and so it makes it kinda hard to keep thinking about a fucking game. But think about it. Do you drive? Bike? Walk? Skip? Jog? RIDE THE BUS? All this downtime. I’m not saying to fuck off and play theory fighter. I’m saying to use some of that downtime to think about the shit you know you do wrong and try to think of a way to correct it.
This kind of idea is actually pretty interesting and I think worth a shot. When you increase the stakes of your own match, it increases the likeliness that you will work harder to win. It’s a simple concept because we are competitive creatures. When we don’t have anything that were really losing, we can just shrug our shoulders, do something random, and wait in the lobby until its our turn again.
Honestly if we could bring that arcade mentality into every game we would become a stronger community. It’s difficult though, because you need an open venue, at a decent location, with other competition willing to put up a little bit of cash for every game. Seattle has gameworks for an arcade, but it is lacking the new release, and until then, we lack a central venue for high stakes competition. I know some people are going to argue mentality over the money factor, which is totally a viable concept worth fighting for - but how many people honestly have that mentality right now? Can you instill that mentality into the next newcomer who wants to step up to the plate? I bet you Joe Blow knows the value of a dollar, and the second he puts it in that machine its on. But let Joe Blow play for free and he is more likely to take it less seriously.
On the other side of the plate, we gain more players on a free game-to-game system. We get more time and can do multiple matches in a row if need be. It’s a more relaxed atmosphere where people can and will divulge information en masse.
So there’s two sides to the same coin. But how do I wish we had an area with like 6 arcade machines ready to let people get it on. I am forever jealous of people who have that luxury. Once gameworks upgrades to super (which I hope they do) I might find myself in higher attendance provided I can afford it.
I’m gonna be doing the same shit, because after tonight (1-48 w/ Dudley, seriously. I didn’t play all of May.), I’ve realized (again) that I’m a bag full of bad habits. Jumping in, trying to wakeup and do something, not doing AAs enough (or at all sometimes), Holding DB for half a match, etc. Just general fuckery. But at this point, I feel like I need to get better ASAP. I want to be able to compete. So, for that reason, tomorrow I will be on Super most of the day. Anyone who wants to point some shit out for me, feel free to hit me up.
I’ll be lurking in the IRC chat, so if someone is going to open a lobby, again, hit me up in there so I can learn. I’d say out of everyone in the state, I’m the worst player. lol. I know there’s some shit I can be taught.
