"It's a good day to die!" T. Hawk Match-up/Strategy Thread

OK anyway back on topic about the gouken match up trying to get in. Avoid stopping short on the dive if you manage to get over a hado. He recovers just slightly faster than dive, so hit him with dive to knock him down from there spire to close distance and try not let him run. If you take the grounded approach blocking and focus absorbing if he throws a mp hado from max sweep range go for sweep you’ll duck under hado and knock him down with untechable. Spire to get in close and try for LP typhoon. You want that one so you can stay in his face. Go fore cross up spire avoid cross up splash because of Kongo. When you go on the other side your best bet is to begin with crouching light kick. Will help to avoid Kongo again cause most goukens if they do Kongo most go high. If light kick connects go into TB if he blocks the light kick go for tick into LP typhoon and repeat spire cross up. If he jumps back TB him or ultra 2 if available. If he goes for ex demon flip move forward and wait for him to land and punish accordingly I think you can even do ultra 2 here cause the invincibility frames of ex demon flip don’t last as long as ultra 2 active frames. Just be patient and careful getting in its a very hard battle trying to get in and but once you get in stay on him. Inside sweep range st.fierce is a great poke and will out poke his fb or trade which is good cause his hados have been nerfed on damage and stun. St.RH is another good poke from Max range too. Good luck cause honostly I think this match up could be 7-3 in goukens favor based on my experience as gouken.

Hakan seems to be about even, to me - especially with U2.

You basically have to get a nice lead early, then sit on it and make him come to you, and eat boot and/or mp, because he’s got the air shut down for the latter half of the round.

Guile can fucking go FADC>EAD as far as I’m concerned.

Hakan you can beat him by staying on the ground st.rh and cr.mk are great pokes and his slide is punishable on block.

And neutral jump fierce/roundhouse is good against guile. He has to come to you to do damage and if he’s moving he has no charge.

I know - I use those to keep him away, too.

I still think it’s a tossup.

And Guile… why does he have to come to me?

He has Sonic Boom.

He’s the very definition of squatter.

Why does he have to come to you? With Hawks neutral jump you can easily clear sonic booms and dive if need to. Just be patient with the neutral jumps so you don’t land on a lp sonic boom. Or focus absorb some of the build up meter and neutral jump to recover health. Patience. He has less health than you and has to be charging to fire sonic booms so if he’s charge inch up and be ready for neutral jumps. And ex spire beats sonic hurricane.

I think Gief is the most free matchup in the game for Hawk. s.fierce stuffs fucking everything.

Flash Kicks.

Good normals.

Bison is a red-suited $&#@ who needs to die.

Discuss.

Fuck Bison. Seriously.

I think, with a bit of practice, Honda could be free. As far as I can tell, ST style c.jab spamming beats torpedos, and his anti-air game is boop.

Flash kicks need to be charged so if your making him come to you he can’t flash kick this isn’t mvc2.

And Hawks normals are pretty effective themselves I believe crouching mk goes under back knuckle and St. Roundhouse and fierce are both effective.

Now this is how I approach the guile fight and was just offering my opinion if it helps great if it doesn’t you’ll find a way to be effective.

I find that against good chunli’s you can basically forget the direct approach. its best to try and get a life lead, and then turtle up. You can stuff any agressive moves she makes from a safe distance, but if you put yourself in close without ensuring your safety… you will get walloped.

I’m having a hard time dealing with good Dee Jay players that zone the hell out of me, and Honda’s. Any tips?

From my experience, Vega seems to be pretty easy to beat. The only thing to watch out for is Izuna, but that’s beatable with jumping back + anything. Just stay on his ass and he’s done for.

As a Vega main, I am still saddened by his freeness on wakeup. :frowning:

is blanka as tough as he seems? i’m still just kinda fooling around with t.hawk here and there but when facing solid blankas it’s like, “what the hell can u do?”. i read that cr.mp stuffs balls but what else can u do against him? it really seems like a horrible matchup for hawk.

Cr. jab stuffs balls too and isnt as hard to time. 360 beats elec. Walk up and bait slides. Make sure to block though cause it hits pretty fast. Neutral jump them might work, I dont remember. Out turtle him really. A lot of hawks bad matchups turn just as bad for the other character the second you get a life lead and start turtling them. Honda, Blanka, Akuma, Juri are all prime examples of this. The only one who doesnt is Sim, from what Ive seen. Sim is fucking brutal. In ST you could walk up st/cr strong his limbs but in this its so much harder cause to walk up and block st.fp feels impossible.

c.hp is very good anti crossup and works as anti air if opponent is close when they jump

What do you think about T.Hawk vs Abel match up?
I want to hear some thoughts about it since T.Hawk isn’t Zangief.

im pretty sure abels grabs come out faster than hawks, but i found that his horizontal dash thingie and the thawk uppah beat out alot of abels moves. id say treat this match more like a shoto would instead of a grappler. his ex beats abels ultra clean, all of his grabs, and disrupts his links. punishing with the thawk uppah is also better than risking whiffing a throw or his beating yours out. i thought the thawk super short head first input horizontal dive speshul was terrible cuz its range was so short and start up kinda slow, but its actually a great move. goes though lots of ultras, fireballs, low sweeps, decent anti air at times, etc. alot of people online expect you to use the dive to punish fireballs, but just walk up to them and initiate the thawk ultra ex if i were an eagle condor spire and u get a great punisher. i used to main bison but he broke my heart in sf4…now my heart belongs to thawk, he loves you too.

That would be incorrect. T Hawk and Gief have 2 frame SPD moves and 1 frame Ultra and Super Grabs. Abel has a 5 frame grab.

Blanka rapes the fuck outta T.Hawk.

You can’t do anything whatsoever against blocked Blanka balls. And a lot of his moves beat out Hawks moves.

Personally I have a really hard time against good Adon’s - I think my win ratio against Adon is like 1-15.