Well if u treat xmen more like sf2 then it makes more sense. But most people are gonna wanna play it like a slower mvc2 without assists
dont get hit by infinites:rofl: . i have yet to see a high level match in xvsf where someone was not getting ass fucked by an infinite. yes some of the infinites you mentioned can be techd, but so what. i would admit it takes skill on a basic level of the game. playin mind games, knowing your mixups, being sure to tech shit, knowin your characters and others, and what beats what, ect… and then after all that, its all about infinites. point blank period. every high level match, tourney or casual, is always filled with infinites. sometimes they mess up, alot of times they dont.
any game is competitively playable, as long as there are people playin it, and as long as there are more than two characters to pick. no matter how broken or glitchy it is, i like the game, and i love watching the vids, takes me back to the good ol days when arcades were abundant.
but dont try to tone down xvsf, when the game is blatantly off the fucking chain. your gonna make a mistake. you cant block everything, and the worst part of this game, is that if you make a mistake against any high level players,thats your fucking life. ive seen wolvies half screen infinite, shit was crazy. most of the characters will own you for free on a simple mistake, and thats just the nature of the game, but people love that, and i enjoy it to. i accept it for what it is, and thats the only way to enjoy xvsf competitively. other than that, your just gonna be wasting time disecting this and that. who cares. learn to play the game and get good at it, or pick something thats more your cup of tea. its so simple
Sentinel/Storm/Magneto/Cable
The most diverse character selection ever.
nope, it isn’t.
Seconded.
its not about characters selection but what can you do with those characters.
Well i was speaking of all the other characters and not just the God-Tiers.
The immense team-creation potential is just not there in the other titles.
Yes.
Being able to build a Fun team-up of Silver Samurai, Dan, and Charlie for example. Only in MvC2.
People like to talk shit about mvc2, but xvsf infinites are way worse. Each infinite is 100% and a lot of them are pretty braindead (Jump foward hp, hk with sabretooth on standing opponent or crouching juggernaut is one that comes to mind).
Then you got throws that lead into them and it just becomes ridiculous. I just don’t see it as a possibly competitive game. Don’t get me wrong, it’s no SVC chaos, but I doubt we’ll be adding a xvsf section anytime soon.
P.S: Storm is broken as hell
There is only a few busted things about Xmen.
Magnetos HP throw (untechable)
Cyclops.
Everything else shouldnt be too much a big deal. If you get caught in an infinite and die, whats preventing you from doing that to someone with your next character?
Also saying they’re “easy” is a moot point once you get to a certain level. There are very few “difficult” combos in MvC2 (or any game for that matteR) when you’ve played it for 5+ years.
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So in your opinion, is it worth playing with Cyc and Mags soft banned?
Well, if something is “difficult” it means that every once in a while, there’ll be a screwup. Granted, the better players won’t screw up as much, but when the infinite is braindead, even a halfway decent player can win just by getting two lucky hits into a super easy infinite twice. =P
Actually…it is.
Zoning, rushdown, runaway, lockdown are all well represented here.
Couldn’t you Tech Hit out of Zangief’s SPD in XSF?
That’s some bonafide BS right there, kind sir. :tdown:
why is that bs? it’s still a throw and it takes tons of damage
and the thread starter heavily over exaggerated about the xvsf “scene”… xvsf is even dead online, the game should just stay dead everywhere… it’s way too broken to be played competitvely in tournaments and shit but it’s alright to do casuals with it and fuck around.
I think tech hitting out of SPD is indeed, bullshit. its a fucking command throw, opposite from a normal throw which i can understand, deals normal damage and everyone has. Imagine if you could tech Alex’s powerbomb , necros slamdance, shuma goraths chaos dimension, or giefs final atomic buster. They are obviously harder to pull off then foward + punch or kick, and are more powerful. for these moves, to be tech’able, would be rediculous.
Its worth playing without anything banned. I’m just saying that those are the only 2 stupid things. A good cyclops can be pretty invincible and theres just nothing you can do, his moves have way too much priority and MOB does way too much damage. Not too mention he recovers instantly off any move he does.
A big issue is going to be whether they are going to go through with the saturn downloads for ps3, if they do, and xsf is on that list, I would expect business to pick up a little.
if the game is so random, how come dogface consistantly gets 1st at every tournament? how come no one can infinite him and beat him?
the game is not as random as you guys make it out to be. there is a lot of skill of getting that 1 hit and avoiding there 1 hit at the same time. you can also stay midscreen so that eliminates the chance of corner infinites. for those of you complaining about throws, STFU. tech hitting is not random, its the same thing for mvc2, 3s, cvs. you throw them the same time they throw you, you get the tech hit. you can mash if you want to guarentee it. granted, magnetos fp throw is untechable, but you can jab him out of it if you see it coming.
this game is alive and always be alive.
Any game can be competitive. Seriously.
They may be broken as hell but people will *still *play hella broken games if they’re fun to play. We played the HELL out of this game back in AZ. Sabre was so sharp he beat Combofiend in an AZ turney, and CF is NO JOKE!! Get hyphy!!
I mean, people played CvS1, A1, and a whole bunch more of “broken” games. Sure, those games were shitty and got abandoned. XvSF has always maintained a small loyal following.
XvSF is still alive because it’s fun to play and the margin for being considered “good” is really small. A scrub can beat a good player if he gets that lucky hit.
What I think is more important is that this discussion is even occuring. This thread has over a 1,000 views. Goddamn. Who knew so many people were interested.
We still get about 10 entries on average at FFA tournaments. CvS2 averages 8. So the game gets love.
I may dislike Storm being God Tier, and I may hate getting infinited in casual play at Evo2k6 (espescially on MY sticks, on Free Play). Lol. But the game is fun.
That’s why we all play any games. They’re fun. Infintes do make the game kinda a headache, but at the last FFA turney, the two opponents would decide to use infinites or not. That’s the best we could come up with to keep the game exciting and quasi-balanced.
XvSF will be around until a new Marvel game comes out that is just as fun. That of course will never happen, so XvSF LIVES!
BTW, everyone check out Marvel Ranbat2.6 on Denjin Video.com.
BTW2, MegamanDS is the best XvSF player in the universe.
bs, sorry, tech hit is random, or way too insanely strict to the frame. victor knows i can see a throw a mile away, hit the buttons, spam the correct buttons, well before the throw even makes contact, and still not get the tech. perfect example was when i played that sabretooth player at evo. it was the same thing everytime, like all sabretooths, launch, jab,short,strong, airthrow. not hard to see against any sabretooth player. that combo alone raped me cuz i could not tech it most of the time. he didnt catch me off guard, he was sneaky about it. i started spamming and drumming the appropriate buttons to get out of that throw before he even connected with the sj.jab, and still no tech. yay, no tech, no i eat dumb shit cuz of a highly inconsistent feature. I still have yet to see tech rules/frames. so im considering it hella random. the throws are way too easy to see coming, yet sometimes i get the tech, sometimes i dont. its very much so a 50/50 situation.
and i do think the whole game still has some randomness to it, that is more engine related, (ahem, DAMAGE, throw techs like said above). and easy infinites do randomly land on people. it doesnt happen to victor much tho cuz i think hes just that much better than everyone else. but just the fact that one lucky hit by the lesser player can potentially mean a braindead death. i dont mind randomness in the fighting style. every game has its random factor. but random as fuck damage dealing and scaling, and inconsistent techs are pretty silly to me.
dont get me wrong, i still love my xsf on a casual level. and i agree with my boy vic on pretty much everything, except the fact that we have to decide on house rules before the fight to determine if we are gonna turn the game into a bs fest or not. you know?
i just think its the most fun casual game around, thats all