Was Tien really human? Wasn’t he like, some demigod or deity or something like that?
And hmm, it’s kinda lame that they never came up with any way for humans to get anywhere near as strong as the Saiyans. Even Uub never really got very powerful, despite that being the “plan” near the end of DBZ and his weird way of coming into being. Maybe it’s just because GT fucked everything up for the most part, though.
Uub was actually god-like and Goku’s training was supposed to teach Uub to learn how to bring out and use his power, but then GT came along and fucked everything up. Although it is important to mention that if saiyans will always get stronger without a limit, then saiyans will be able to potentially surpass anything that has a limit. A big plot hole is that if saiyans know they get stronger as they get injured, then why not constantly abuse the get hurt and then heal cycle?
Actually, Vegeta tried to exploit just that during the Frieza saga (demanded Krilin to blast him so that Dende could later heal him), but then realized during his battle with Frieza that the whole “injured/healed” power-up thing had its’ limits.
He has alien origins.
GT was a mess storyline wise. So i wouldn’t get too fussed about that. Uub was able to go back and forth with Base form Goku (in the animation). He was Buu, in all respects. He could have become really strong in time. Probably not even alot of time, since he just kept adapting to fight Goku based on purely watching/imitating what he was doing, and then proceeded to do it with avail.
GT never exploited Uub’s potential. Shame really.
Supposedly, each SSJ form increases the base form’s power times 50.
You can’t be serious*. Piccolo couldn’t keep up with Freeza’s third form. How in the hell do you figure he could keep up with SSJ Goku, whom killed Freeza in his 4th form? This is the same guy, who pre-SSJ, kept up with fourth form Freeza? Seriously?
At the end of the Freeza arc, Goku was King Shit. No one was even close to him. The only one who was (Freeza), died at his hands. Piccolo could only dream about fighting Goku, and even then Goku would kick his ass in his own dreams.
Those were called Zenkai. I also explained how once they all became Super Saiyan, the Zenkai system kinda stopped. It was like a Saiyan becoming a SSJ was the end means, to the Zenkai powering up system. Also, if you recall, they did indeed abused the shit out of the zenkais during the Freeza arc, especially Goku and Vegeta, Goku went from a scouter reading of 8,000 fighting Vegeta, to a fight with Ginyu at a reading of like, 180,000, and in what, a couple of months?! He was training in that gravity shit, getting tired/hurt, and healing over and over and over.
But also, keep in mind it’s not enough to just gain power. You have to learn new techniques, and how to work the new increase in power, hence the training.
I gave this some thought a while ago, and I think what I arrived at is no. No human reached SSJ level by the end of DBZ.
The humans all got rolled by Nappa, who wasn’t even shit compared to Vegeta. After the training with Kaio, Tien and Yamucha would maybe be at Saiyajin Saga Vegeta level. Maybe.
Ignore the stupid shit where they beat up the Ginyu Force, that was filler and shouldn’t have happened.
Krillin got the Elder Namek’s powerup, but considering he didn’t get Kaio training, that probably put him a little past Saiyajin Saga Vegeta. Even with that powerup, he still got stomped by Recoome.
Everyone trained for the Cell Games and what not, so maybe Yamucha and Tien surpass Saiyajin Saga Vegeta, with Krillin a bit ahead. Maybe they could have put up a good fight against most of the Ginyu Force, but I think the Cell Saga humans would have gotten rolled by Captain Ginyu.
After the Cell Saga, Yamucha and Krillin stop training, so they peak around there. We can assume Tien spends the entire time from Cell until his appearance in the Buu Saga training, so maybe he would be able to take out the Ginyu Force and give Captain Ginyu a decent fight. Maybe. And that’s about it.
Freeza was just so ridiculously overpowered for the time. Like, Toriyama could have nerfed the shit out of Cell and he would have still owned anyone not named Goku or anyone without the ability to go SSJ.
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I dont remember vegeta realizing that. He thought it would make him a super saiyan and was wrong…thats it. The get injured/heal thing worked…just didnt make him stronger than frieza is all.
And remember goku got a maaaaaaaajor power up when he went to fight frieza after healing up.
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The new anime was great! classic DB style at its finest. sad not to see Tien and Chaotzu in it when EVERYONE else got to appear. But Gotenk’s did do one his move’s that he contributed to Tien.
Spirit Ball…was pretty sure he was saying spirit ball but it’s easy to think he said bomb.
^ I think you mean “attributed”.
I’m Too Slow EDIT: This was at the person above you, Sonichuman.
That’s awesome, which is weird because personally their only other song that I’ve heard, the one for Deathnote, bugs the shit out of me after a certain point into it.
I think it’s probably because the metal is far more sudden in the other song rather than appearing at the beginning here and being maintained all the way through.
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Sokidan? Controlled ki bullet.
talkin bout OG ocean dub and mistakenly hearing Yamcha say ‘Spirit Bomb’ when i’m pretty sure he’s saying or at least supposed to be saying ‘Spirit Ball’.
‘CHECK OUT MY EXTRA LAAAAARGE SPIRIT BALL!’
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I don’t think any of them are. Then again they sorta held their own against Cell Jrs which they should have been easily killed by the minis.
Theres a few questionable errors with the dbz saga (anime).
I was wondering that too. I always thought they made King Cold or whatever his name was a little too weak. Wasn’t he in his second form when FT took him out
I highly doubt Tien would have problems with Final Frieza. He was strong enough put a stranglehold on Super Cell.
I would think Super Cell would be stronger than Final Frieza, because if he wasn’t then he would have been killed by one of Saiyans before hand. Just like Trunks rolled Metal Frieza without breaking a sweat.
Being as optimistic as possible I’d say Tien is slightly stronger than Final Frieza, but I can’t speak for the rest of the Humans.
(Thinking about it, Super Cell was rolled several times. It looked like he might die before Vegeta decided to help him, by fighting off Trunks and giving Cell enough time to absorb Android 18.)
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seriously tien is stronger because of his mad power boosts everytime he returns, he’s constantly over shadowed by piccolo, goku and vegeta though.
i dont know if this would be accepted as a gauge but trunks needed to go ssj to stand a chance against tien in the bojack movie.
krillin is nt to far behind though, dont make that mistake. yumucha and the rest are far below.
Goku during the end of dbz i would say he is WAYYYY ahead of mystic gohan. the big hitters of dragon ball are goku, vegeta and Uub
oh yeah and to help gauge strength, i’d say krillin in the buu saga was stronger than frieza
i swear tien has a death wish…if anything krillin is top tier human just cause he’s smarter and know how to plan his energy out. tien is always on some kamikazi suicide shit.
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i dont know if anyone noticed but whenever there was a power near by krillin is usually the first to sense it, think they stopped doing that after the cell saga
yeah but then piccolo fused with kame, and was able to fight cell, and later, android 17. he was definitely as strong as a super saiyan at that point.
anywho i would say tien is next strongest, because he delayed cell temporarily.
yamcha and krillin were both too preoccupied getting pussy to care anymore.
mystic gohan, or gay gohan as i like to call him, is stronger than goku at the end. i mean cmon, he pwned buu for free. whereas goku could not.
If you guys are referring to the end of the time line (after Buu), there is no way in hell that any of them would have a problem with Freeza.
In current DBZ time, Freezer is a joke.
Shit, even Videl > Freeza