And for once, this part in the original version of DB is just as corny as in the Americanized version.
I think, other than this, the only conceivable reason to watch the original FUNi dub (Ocean era) is the now-legendary “over nine thooouuuusaaaand!!!” clip.
lol I completely forgot about this scene. Holy crap so funny
Vegeta was BORN better than Goku. That, coupled with the fact he worked for Frieza and had fellow Saiyan teammates to help him along, Vegeta probably didn’t run into many challenges or defeats in his life before Goku.
Goku started out weaker, so he had to constantly get stronger throughout the series. Saiyans naturally get stronger when healing from great injuries. It’s plausible to suggest Vegeta never had any of these so he pretty much stayed at his normal power level most of his life, where Goku was pushed and pushed. It’s not just the battle experience that counts, it’s the type of battle experience.
But not even Vegeta received the same power boost spurts like Goku has… I remembered when Goku just arrived on Namek he somewhere around Ginyu’s league, but after he came out that rejuvenation tank, his power level went up so much for no reason that it was stupid. Goku’s power level went from 180,000 (thanks to the Kaioken technique) to like 2 million and something initially as he was strong and quick enough to lands some impressive shots in on Frieza who transformed three times already (that just can’t be explained).
It’s the Near Death Saiyan Recovery technique! Vegeta tried to pull that shit with Dende and Krillin, but got caught before it could work.
He got it to work, it just wasn’t enough. Yeah, I never thought about how powerful Goku had to be on Frieza’s level after the rejuvenation tank.
Good ol’ plot holes.
At that point in the series things just didn’t make sense, like Raditz could blow up entire mountain ranges with a shot from one arm and he was only a 1200. Rekoome tries to kill Vegeta with his eraser gun and it just destroys a small island when it misses. Rekoome was like what 45,000?
Personally, I enjoyed the saiyan saga, Namek, Ginyu and Frieza but after that things just fell off for me because EVERYONE got left behind except for Goku. Then when they go super saiyan, trunks shows up, then there’s Goku, Trunks and Vegeta that are all SSJ and it’s looking things might be balancing out again.
When android 19 and 20 showed up, Goku, Piccolo and Tien were there ready to fight. That was the last good moment for me because it just became all about Goku once Cell became perfect. Tien going all out with his Tri-beam attack on Cell was the last glorious hour of all the Z fighters that I was so excited to watch back in the day when they fought the Saiyans. They were so fucking raw back then too, they went out like gangsters not giving a shit, go to King Kai’s place and I’m thinking they’ll come back fucking god like and ready to be some serious back up in a tight spot. Instead that whole trip was like a side note reminder to the readers/viewers. Sadly, their main roles after that were sitting on the sideline mouths gaping and eyes wide staring as they helplessly watch. Ghey…
I don’t even want to think about the Buu saga. SSJ3 the most glorious of the transformations (forget that GT SSJ4 crap), is belittled by a fat blob. Later though, Goku said he could’ve destroyed Buu if he really wanted to but decided earth needed new heroes to take on the job (What the F…?).
The only cool thing that would’ve saved the Buu saga for me is if they would’ve let Vegeta go SSJ3 if but for a brief moment and then he passes out. The fact that a kid Buu is treating him like a toy throws him into a rage, kind of like how he was against Rekoome when he powered up. That at least could’ve left things open to the imagination of the fans after the series ended.
The great thing about DBZ is despite all the “If only, could’ve, would’ve, should’ve” jabs, the series has unbelievable character and depth, that at the end of the day, you just don’t care that you didn’t get exactly what you wanted. Good series.
Goku was much stronger than Ginyu. Remember, Goku didn’t get beaten up badly at all when fighting the Ginyu Tokusentai. Ginyu was pretty well fucked until he injured himself, then surprised Goku with the body change technique.
Goku needed the rejuvenation tank because Ginyu got his ass kicked while in Goku’s body.
I know I’m in the minority on this but IMHO the coolest scene in DBZ for me was when Perfect Cell used his newfound “psychic power” abilities to create his fighting arena and then just stands in the center, arms folded, eyes closed, as the sun sets… then the narrator says:
“…Patiently, Cell waits… Next time on Dragonball Z!..”
badass…
That scene was tight. Again, Cell is my fav villian in the series. Another of my fav scenes is when Goku is throwing ki blasts at Cell. Cell is blocking them but he’s being pushed back and he has to put up his barrier. Thought it was freaking pimp.
Two of my favorite scenes that come to mind:
1- Vegeta is resisting Babidi’s commands and says something along the lines of: “You have taken my body and my mind but there is something a Saiyan always keeps - HIS PRIIIIIIDE!” as he erupts with yellow flames. Fucking epic.
2- Vegeta’s self sacrifice during the Buu saga. Especially when he’s asking Piccolo whether he will meet “that clown, Kakarot” in the afterlife. Piccolo says “This is the truth…” and you see a close up of Vegeta’s eye twitch before he learns he likely won’t be keeping his body for all of the bad shit he’s done. To which he just grins and says "Oh well."
As much as I loved the evil as fuck Vegeta, to see his redemption and actually show he does care for his friends and family behind all of his anger was really cool to me.
ahah
yamcha: if that doesnt do it, balled fist** i just dont know what will…**
ahhhhh my fav anime of all time man this show is literraly like 1 of the fukin best but i got to say that the namek saga is my fav cell and ahed is a little to overpowered but namek saga is perfect man first ss transformation and ive literraly seen evry single episode and movie of this show and yes even the lost movie i luv it :lovin:
Favorite’d that shit a few days ago. Genius that they played it out like a fight scene. A bit of self parody I think. It would have been hilarious if they dragged it out for 3+ episodes though.
just out of curiosity, how many times has krillin died?
Im only familiar with the beginning to the end of the frieza saga and the buu saga.
IIRC- once in DB, once by Frieza (brought back by Dende), and once by Buu…?
Is the “lost movie” everybody is referring to the so-called OAV, by chance? The one that’s actually a bunch of old Playdia clips edited together?
Close. Dende didn’t bring Kuririn back from the dead. He just healed him after Freeza nearly killed him. Freeza later really killed him (I mean REALLY killed him) moments after Goku used the genki dama.
If you want to get technical, Kuririn dies four times, counting his death in the Future Trunks timeline.
He also dies again in GT, but fuck that shit.
The entire spot in the Buu vs Vegeta fight after Trunks saved him was great. That part got to me and really made me say “Damn.” Vegeta knocking out the kids, and talking to Piccolo.
But I also really loved during the Majin Vegeta vs Goku fight when Vegeta was talking to Goku. The first time they were talking Goku asked him why he let himself be influenced by Babidi…
Vegeta - Ore wa… Ore wa…
(Vegeta then builds his power up and then it EXPLODES!)
Vegeta - I WANT TO BE THE WAY I USED TO BE!!!
And then the next part where they’re talking when Vegeta throws Goku into a cliff and pins him down with four ki shots in the form of rings…
Vegeta - What’s wrong? I thought you were going to finish me fast.
Goku - That’s exactly what I’m going to do!
Vegeta - Really? I couldn’t tell.
Slap! Slap!
That’s why the followup battles with Goku & Vegeta/Vegetto vs Super Buu/Kid Buu hurt my feelings. Those battles (along with Goku going SSJ3) totally SHIT on that fight and all that great, IMPORTANT dialogue.
This has been THE INVINCIBLE SWORDSMAN saying in his best Vegeta voice:
It was the fight against Babidi’s henchmen… the way you defeated him… I was shocked Kakarotto. It made me realize… you are a better fighting genius than me. So I let myself be controlled hoping that my power would overcome that difference between us. And it worked just like I hoped it would.
What was funny about that is Krillin was all “NO, YOU’RE CRAZY!” and Vegeta is just sitting there and yelling at him.
Vegeta got shitted on the entire Freiza saga. First he gets his ass kicked by the Ginyu force and has to sit there listening to Krillin and Gohan tell him to not kill anyone of them.
Then he comes back, thinks he’s the first Super Saiyen and gets destroyed by Freiza only to see his greatest rival become one.
I always liked shirtless one finger push ups in gravity chambers. That was a DBZ specialty.
Goku didn’t die against Vegeta in the first fight right? I was going to say they should have bee the same power level when they got to Namek because of the saiyen thing, but then I forgot the whole time Goku was flying to Namek he training. Including the legendary fight against high gravity.
I loved the dub version of this as well (not entirely verbatim):
Vegeta: What’s the matter? Not winning as easily as you thought?
Goku: Grr…I never said it was going to be easy!
Vegeta: HA! YOU WON’T BE WINNING AT ALL
pimp smack
Goku: pissed
Vegeta: WHAT, CLOWN?!
Vegeta: Are you angry? Humiliated? Is that it?!
Majin soupbone to Goku’s cheek
Vegeta: FOOL! YOU DON’T whap KNOW whap WHAT HUMILIATION whap IS!! whap
yes it is.
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