Goku is a brilliant man. One of the biggest misconceptions in DB is that Goku is stupid. Yeah, he’s naive, uneducated, and short on manners, but his intelligence and creativity are self-evident when it really counts.
Vegeta’s real problem has nothing to do with intelligence. In some ways, Goku’s very narrow view of the world is a benefit, because he loves fighting and knows exactly why he does it. Vegeta doesn’t have that. He doesn’t have the pure love of the fight, and he doesn’t have that pure love for the things that he protects. It’s more psychological than anything else.
Being a so-called higher class warrior didn’t matter either. That’s one of the chief messages of Dragon Ball: the caste you’re born into only matters if you believe it does. In reality, Vegeta fought around the galaxy while Goku was still on Earth. Vegeta was stronger because he tested his mettle against greater competition. Once Goku had comparable experience, he began to outstrip Vegeta as a fighter.
So, is there an official box set of the entire series? I see parts of it on ebay, and then some box set that costs $260. Not really sure how much I should be spending.
Hmm, then that complete $260 box set on ebay must be some sort of bootleg. I have also seen lots of torrents for the show, but I don’t feel like using up 60gb for one show.
a single box set for the entire series would be pretty fucking big D: Though I wouldn’t mind having one.
speaking of box sets, I’ve never got around to watching the Raditz or Vegeta saga of DBZ. I don’t think Toonami ever aired them IIRC. Gotta rent the DVDs for that sometime :\
Okay, but when they did the Frieza saga, I don’t remember them ever showing the Raditz/Vegeta saga ever again.
Every single time they hit the point in the story where they weren’t finished dubbing, they went straight back to the Frieza saga (or somewhere like the Garlic Jr. saga).
I watched Toonami virtually every weekday way back when, and I can’t remember one instance where they DID show those two sagas.
The season box sets are quite inexpensive. You might check them out.
Initially, power and skill went hand in hand. But I see where your complaint is valid once it gets into the whole android thing, where they’re basically built so powerful that they’re almost unbeatable.
I do, because that was when they switched the voices and I was drastically confused… they only aired them a few times when the frieza saga first came out.
yeah, I guess that explains it. I kinda got into watching DBZ a bit late…I think the first ever episode I watched (also the first anime episode I watched) was like…somewhere in the Cell games.
Hard-ass bad guy raping everyone, but loses to a guy who has less “power” but is faster than him, and reverses/counters all his physical attacks due to his greater skill in physical combat.
This happened a lot earlier on in the series. The first time they really fight a villain with such massive power that he barely even needs to fight was Freeza, and that’s because he was originally supposed to be the most powerful bad guy in the history of anything.
The speed thing was still evident later in the series as well,
one prime example being when Future Trunks went USSJ and got his ass handed to him by imperfect cell strictly because he was too slow, although his power level was much greater.
While I agree with this statement, I still find it hard that a person just can’t have common sense off the battlefield, but on the battlefield, they’re the world’s best fighting prodigy. I understand Goku’s upbringing, but still…
I disagree with this statement. I believe that Vegeta enjoys fighting just as much as Goku does (perhaps even more since Future Trunks stated to Krilllin that Vegeta fights based on the nobility of a warrior). If Vegeta didn’t have the pure love of the fight, then he wouldn’t have let Frieza transform the first time after knowing that he was stronger, he wouldn’t let Cell become complete after realizing that Cell wasn’t a challenge for him prior to that (not to mention the second square-off that him and Goku as he made Goku fight him).
I suppose that you’re right seeing how the legend of all Saiyans gets jobbed in every movie. Based on your statements, Goku shouldn’t be in the same league with Vegeta seeing as Vegeta have more battle experience than him. It’s the fact that it’s Goku’s show is the reason why he constantly has the edge over Vegeta.
Imo, that’s the basics of DBZ (which is why it’s easier to see who’s the overall better fighter in comparison to animes like Naruto or Bleach).
He raised himself from age ~6 to 12, prior to that he was only raised by his “grandpa” and his grandpa alone, he didn’t encounter another human being until he met bulma at the start of dragonball(which was also the first girl he ever met). After that the only people he encountered were the main characters of the story of which Bulma was the closest he ever came from encountering a “normal” person in their world. Also keep in mind even after he married ChiChi he lived with his family in the middle of the country becoming completely self sufficient, of course he’s going to be a little socially inept.
You must also understand that even though he loves to fight he is also quite arrogant which is why he allowed them reach their final forms, before they transformed he thought he could surely best them even them because he “is the prince of all Saiyans” After they transform he almost ALWAYS wishes he would have finished them off beforehand.
movies aren’t canon :P, and Battle experience isn’t the only thing that determines strength
Indeed:) , also note that a lot of the later Shonen animes borrow heavily from Dragonball
ah, satisfaction…I got the old Pioneer DBZ dvd in the mail today; it includes Zarbon vs. Vegeta, round 1. It’s so good to hear the old “aussie” sounding Zarbon once again. A great side bonus is that it includes one of the more memorable comedic moments of the show, imo…when Tien, Yamcha, Chaoutzu and Piccolo have to make Kai laugh before he will agree to train them…Tien’s attempt was hilarious:
“…I’VE NEVER FELT PRESSURE LIKE THIS.…must stay focused…”—said with that tense look on his face, eyes closed, struggling to come up with a suitable joke. Then, he hits him with the joke like it’s an attack…
King Kai: "…he’s powering up now…"
Tien: “ah! You can tune a piano, but you CAN’T TUNAFISH!”
