^^ I say its a tie between future trunks and Piccolo…
trunks has killed frieza,king cold,andriods, and cell
goku only “defeats” his opponets
Goku just wears the enemies down and uses everyone’s power to deliver a blow…
“SPARE YOUR ENERGY!!”
“fuck not this megaman ass fool again”
I think Future Trunks was a decent fighter. He really shows an emphasis on power more than fighting ability and agility; this is especially obvious during his USSJ fight with Cell. He thinks by being stronger he can win, and it obviously proves to not be the case.
you got the androids mixed up by the way.
and none of the androids were stronger than the namek apart from maybe android 16. the namek was scared when he saw cell when he was fighting 17 because he had used a lot of his power already, the namek set his sights on killing all 3 of the androids, probably could of killed both 17 and 18. but think he was hoping 16 was equal to them in strength to possibly find a solution.
but as the best fighter you can’t really judge it that way
Yeah, 16 was the one that got his head smashed.
Was it 19 that got Big Banged?
yep, 20 was dr gero, 19 twat, 17 and 18 twins, 16 big nice guy, 13 hillbilly/bluenutcracker, 14 and 15 nutcrackers hench men, 12? boltneck monster
Which he quickly revived soon after.
With regards to what Se7in said, I would have to say that Piccollo is the best fighter.
It’s what makes his failure all the more depressing. :sad:
I’m not sure if you made that reference due to [media=youtube]_w6i70ztZKY&feature=channel_page]Megaman having the same voice as [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbSjKjjObLg&feature=channel[/media]
P.S. Yes, I post those two videos at every appropriate opportunity.
It’s Goku.
Forgiving the opponent rather than killing him has nothing to do with his abilities as a fighter.
The fact that it’s come down to his decision in the end so many times demonstrates his unparalleled ability to defeat his opponents. Furthermore, it’s his goodhearted nature that enables him to fight just for the joy of it, rather than out of less pure concerns. It’s for good reason that everyone ends up depending on Goku to come through in the end, and it’s not because he always does–it’s because they know that, whatever the situation is, he’s their best shot.
It’s also worth mentioning that Goku’s forgiving spirit is basically the glue that holds Dragon Ball together. Nearly every relationship he has in the series is with someone who once was his enemy, or at least his antagonist.
Frankenstein was #8.
I’m just reminded of how Krillin didn’t blow up #18 when he had the chance. Son of a bitch…
and now he’s getting his dick sucked by an android, which probably has built in algorithms that maximize pleasure. he clearly made the right decision.
as for the best fighter, it was vegeta. he trained the hardest. goku just had everything handed to him naturally. vegeta knew the value of hard work, while goku just goofed off.
First paragraph, yes.
Second paragraph, we don’t know who Vegeta trained under. My guess is his dad. Goku first trained under Grandpa Gohan, then Roshi, then Kami and finally with King Kai. One big advantage Goku had over Vegeta was he spent 8 years dead. I imagine dead people don’t have to eat or sleep as much as the living, if at all, and had more energy reserves. Which is why alive Goku couldn’t hold SSJ3 for as long as dead Goku nor could Goku hold SSJ3 when on Earth as compared to the afterlife.
Goku also trained by sparring with others, Krillin/Roshi when they were kids, Picollo/Gohan as an adult and probably with other dead beings during the 7 years between Cell and Buu. Vegeta on the other hand just trained by himself and inside a gravity room, he never trained with Trunks when they were in the spirit and time room.
It’s like in fighting games, you get better playing against other people even if you are the best player than you do playing by yourself in training mode.
Goku trains, he just doesn’t do training that borders on self-mutilation and punishment.
Mentally speaking, Goku is like an 8 year old Olympic Chinese gymnast.
I had always assumed most saiyans just ‘trained’ (we go to planets and blow shit up…and along the way we get stronger and MAYBE learn something along the way…but mostly just blow shit up) by themselves. Saiyans seem to take the whole ‘tough love’ thing to a whole new level if I’m not mistaken.
Nappa:…I can’t…get up
Vegeta:…awww po baby…lemme help you! chucks his ass into the air and blows him up
He has, actually. On numerous occasions.
Compared to Vegeta, not really.
goku didnt train much before he fought cell, goku trains smart i guess because of his legendary teachers, in all fairness the only one that probably surpasses king vegeta was king kai.
vegeta always concerntrates on power and a fighting style that has huge pushback abilities
think goku is the most basic and boring fighter out there as soon as he started fighting freeza, but his style is very effective, think he’s tough aswell (like his dad) tough and very analytical in fights (mentioned by master roshi)
Goku:“you can’t use the same move on me more than once” cant remember when he said this.
future trunks has piccolo style, gohan style and vegeta style mixed into one, probably didn’t know how to use them together properly which is why he quickly dropped further behind goku, vegeta and even little gohan
I’d say piccolo doesn’t have the best fighting style, it’s more like he’s a good fighter thats very intelligent, the problem is no matter how intelligent you are if you’re weaker and your trying to use your powers effectively it just isnt gonna last long.
gohans just lucky he has mixed blood and a talented father, when goku died in trunks timeline gohan was having a hard time against weaker versions of 17 and 18, just shows what happens to everyones power level when goku’s around AND gohan was twice his age possibly 3 times the age he was when he fought cell
…I got a bit too comfortable writing this
Honestly, I don’t neccessarily believe that training the hardest will make you “the best”. Vegeta I feel fought with more ferocity and anger, which to me is why he could never be as good as Goku in regards, simply because he was always usually fighting only for himself, while Goku on the other hand usually fought for a much bigger reason (protecting the world/Universe is the biggest example).
You could possibly say that Goku was more naturally gifted as well, because whatever Vegeta could do, Goku would somehow always trump him. Like in case of the transcended SSJ1 version, in which Goku was able to master it to the point at which he could walk around looking like a SSJ1 all day, which Vegeta couldn’t do without severely depleting his energy.
During the SSJ1 Era and during the Cell saga, the strength between the two wouldn’t of been as far apart, and the gap not as large, however the tide would of shifted drastically when Goku achieved SSJ3.
Some said it earlier about Goku’s advantages though, especially in the afterlife of where Goku got to train, but more importantly fight the numerous other MA Universe fighters from all over the other galaxies, I would bet this would have had a tremendous help with him into reaching SSJ3.
While Vegeta on the other hand was training in an era of “peace”…so who did Vegeta truly contend with besides 100X+ gravity? I mean, the only other person on the planet of Earth at the time to have been able to contend with him would have been Gohan, and he was too busy studying and schooling. You factor in determination because Goku’s will to win in comparison to the other DBZ characters is simply unreal. He simply will not lose period, so I believe if you accumulate all of these factors in, Goku was never handed the success but rightfully so earned them.
Been watching the Buu saga in its entirety lately. Just finished the two episodes where gotenks fights super buu in the time chamber.
Wow gotenks is a moron, holding back the whole time in order to be flashy. The Exploding ghosts were funny though and SSJ3 is always cool.
^That’s another thing I really disliked about the Buu Saga. You can tell that Toriyama just gave up on the story at that point. The whole Buu Saga is really about how the Z Warriors fucked over the Earth with their bad decisions. I suppose if there had been a “with great power comes great responsibility” lesson in there it could have been good, but as is it was just “Oh, we could have won that fight, but…”
goku killed plenty of baddies… when he was a kid
then he ate them