…you’re a horrible poster.
Ok, now that we’ve moved past that, has anyone found a offensive use for homing attack?
best use of neutral b is when youre edge guarding. harass them and make them use their 2nd jump. then you can jump back at them and neutral b. it’s a pretty decent to do b/c it keeps him relatively safe. the only thing though is that its hard to connect with it if they DI properly. but it does have potential to smash them out if their damage is high enough.
oh you can also use it as a recovery. it helps to make your way back to grabbing the ledge if you need that extra distance. also you can use it to just hit the guy if hes edge guarding you and you can just get back on the stage.
i honestly dont think sonic is that bad of a character if played right. he can rack up damage. he just doesn’t have anything super abuseable. my one gripe with him though is that he has no KO moves : (
Lol@Tigerboi baiting fools 
Homing Attack is useful on gimping recoveries IMO. It can also be used to aid your own recoveries too.
Say what you want I guess, but it holds no meaning if there’s nothing behind the words.
I’ve only been using this while on the edge. Sometimes it’ll take people by surprise and you’ll have knocked them off the edge. Its knockback is decent. Other than that, I saw the vid of Sonichuman where he charged a B-right, jumped and immediately did the B move… it was surprisingly quick, but I’m not sure how good that is overall.
Isn’t that a bit dangerous? What if they air dodge the B move? Btw, Sonic’s got KO moves, it’s just that some of them are slow. Try B-air, F-air (this may not KO but it will certainly push), D-smash, and F-smash.
There’s certain periods of time when an air attack is unavoidable, even if they dodge it. Even if they manage to avoid all the air attacks, they have a period of vulnerability on the ground. That’s why I like to use that, especially as they’re rising.
On a side note, anyone here play Wolf? I notice after playing Sonic for a long time, my Wolf becomes amazingly accurate.
it’s not dangerous really. if they dodge so what. you could do it again. it’s not like you’re left vulnerable from doing it. you could always just up b back on stage. i think sonic is has a good approach coming from the air anyway so youre really not at a loss for doing it. but it’s not like youre always supposed to neutral b every time you try to edgeguard its something you can do to mix it up though
Other than stalling and another way of coming back onto the stage?..Ehhhhhh…The one problem that I have with the homing attack is that you can’t really rely on it. 55% of the time i’m expecting it to miss the intended target but when it does hit it’s aight…this is just IMO. It has really bad lag if you miss it but not many people have really punished me for it because they’re too busy blocking in case they get smacked by it. Some characters can probably just out right punish it on block but he can always do another one a second after and hope that the rise will make them wiff and them BONK! I remember fighting Emblem lord’s meta knight and I was having a bitch of a time trying to get inside the wall of priority he had put up and the homing attack had just enough of an arc to bonk him a few times…not significant though as i’m pretty sure if there wasn’t any lag issues met knight could probably just go…O.o?..TORNADOOO!!! It did happen to get around metaknight’s a spam on the ground sometimes…but again… it isn’t really reliable. You can also use it throw off people’s game a bit especially if they think you’re gonna just run in and attack and they try to have something out before you get there you can jump and immediately go into a homing attack…definitely don’t spam that though. Zan’s sonic does more homing attacks than I do…so he may have found out more uses for it.
Edit:
THAT…is fuckin weird…so you play about the same characters I do!? and yeah after playing sonic I started messing around with Wolf and I was killing people with stuff…dunno what it is. O.o…I’ve also started dabbling in a tiny bit of luigi but i don’t think he’s completely up to snuff even though he frustates the hell of of the people I play.
oh and about that whole side b into homing attack thing…I started messing with that in that video cause I did it once and I was like…O.o?..‘did the homing attack just get quicker?’ I’m unsure of it or not…though…
I play so many chars in every game I get into. Most of the time, I can use even the chars I don’t play often. The ones I play, in order to frequent to rarely: are Sonic, Lucario, Wolf, Ganondorf, Jigglypuff, Ike, Link, Wario, and Fox. I’m starting to like Fox more now though so his place might change soon.
edit: started playing Snake too. At first I couldn’t stand him, but now I’ve got the hang of him a little bit.
It comes out faster if you tap B again. I think some poster in this thread talked about that. Said if you hit B at a certain time during the homing attack, it comes out slightly faster.
Sonic: Slowly acting as a hate sponge for all negative feelings towards SSBB, creating the image of a perfect game…
yeah seriously. I don’t even understand all this hate. Play the mother fucker or don’t, call him shitty after exploring him and seeing no options. The sad part is that even if you don’t use the right moves, he’s still not bad at all… yet people have this extreme hate for him
I’ve played sonic. I explored sonic. I’m continuing to explore him because I still use him. I THINK HE SUCKS.
I mean, seriously, why get butthurt if somebody doesn’t like using him? If you think he’s good, cool. It’s not like we have a definitive tier list anyway. Niggas need to put their skirts down. At this point I will consider him low tier until someone discovers some really good crazy shit with him. I think his options are bad. I think he’s bad. I don’t need to be reminded of what his moves do because I already know.
Hell, I even beast niggas with him. But I still say he sucks.
If Sonic sucks, I wanna know who the hell is good. Unless you’re talking about the number of used individual moves or the fact that they’re not perfect, I think Sonic’s just as good as anyone else. I’ve played Pit, Meta Knight, Wolf, Marth… and have still yet to see an overshadow.
That’s because you’re extremely in denial. The reasons as to why people don’t find sonic as good as them are extremely obvious.
Let’s talk meta because imo that also happens to be a VERY bad matchup for sonic. Like, a serious rape fest.
All of metaknights attacks seems to come out faster (much faster), have longer reach AND more priority than Sonic. I’m not even going to go down the list because it’s literately ALL OF THEM. Oh, and disjointed hitboxes if the rest wasn’t bad enough. Metaknight can literately spam d+tilts and forward tilts and sonic will have a hard when on the ground. And this is before meta starts using n+a, and pressuring sonic with SHed fairs and bairs.
Now I happen to like Sonic’s air game but meta beats that as well. Sonic’s bair is surprisingly slow, slower than the majority of meta’s moveset. Not to mention shorter reaching. If sonic uses bair, meta can basically beat it with his attack of choice. Sonic’s RAR is completely shut down by meta.
Based on matches I’ve seen, and played, Meta doesn’t even really need to use mind games here. Sonic literately has to play them nearly the entire time and run away often.
Now, I don’t think any of the characters in this game are COMPLETE garbage, but some a clearly worse than others. IMO, Sonic doesn’t seem to have many favorable matchups. That’s excatly what makes a character low-tier.
post not important anymore. if you want, I guess you can read what Sonichuman quoted. but I’m going to find out more about this so that I can be absolutely certain in what I know. Next time I’ll be telling you what I know and not what I think.
O.o? uh…I don’t like the fact that people are saying he sucks either…but i know bad matchups when i see em. From my end of the sonic and Meta knight fight…Meta knight can just chill and spam shit all day and I can’t help but run into SOMETHING. Most of the time Meta knight can just keep him out with a spam on the ground and if he tries to roll behind he can just down smash. Sonic vs. Metaknight is damn near impossible from my experience but this is just from having fought mostly Emblem Lord’s Metaknight.
alright, then I’ll try to play him or anyone else who can use Meta Knight. I’ll eventually have something figured out for everyone to use. I still have a hard time seeing this as a hard matchup, but knowing is better than thinking.
btw, I tried your D-throw thing. Seems impossible to follow up, the opponent has way too many options. They could tech (whether it’s standing, left, or right), or they could choose not to tech and use any of the options sleeping gives you. Is there a specific kind of character this is supposed to work on? I can’t get it to work otherwise
edit: new development. U-air might just be Sonic’s absolute best move. I’m gonna use it more to see what more it can do. It’s not bastard strong but it hits hard, it can be used to KO
edit2: D-air’s good for edge guarding
edit 3: ah, the guy who was asking about B being used as an offensive is gonna like this. Since B homes in, it’s hard for people far away from the edge to deal with it. Just tried using that, it’s pretty good.
Quoted for the only iota of damned truth in this thread.
Sonic can be strong. For you. If he’s your good character. That doesn’t make him better than Marth, or Fox, or most characters for that matter. Sonic has very few advantageous moves. He lacks decent finishing moves. And that is why he is low tier.
People can still win with him. Fuck, I play Hugo on Third Strike all the time and I think he’s one of the strongest characters. I utterly rape most people. But that doesn’t stop him from being **absolute bottom tier.
**Can we please get this thread back on track with some discussion over Sonic’s tactics and strategy, and not the quality of the character?
The speed trap thing is easy though…You’re supposed to react to what they’re doing. Sonic should easily be able to catch an opponent who techs and he’s standing on the ground within a certain distance…especially if you use the running shield grab. I wonder if I did it in any of the videos that I haven’t put up yet…I have more vids of me playing with the other guys but I haven’t been able to upload them yet.
no. not because I choose it to be so, but this thread will forever be about how people feel about Sonic and his place in the tiers. even the thread title shows that. Other than me, Sonichuman, and Dragonite, I don’t think anyone here really cares about what Sonic can do. for instance, where are your Sonic tactics and strategy?
last thing I’m gonna say about all this Sonic non-sense: I’ll keep playing Sonic. Say he sucks, say he doesn’t, I don’t really care. Our understanding and experiences with the char, the game, etc., differ. I, however, am going to do my best to show that he doesn’t.
I’m saying the opponent has too many options for it to be a trap. A trap is supposed to limit… this doesn’t limit. Maybe you need a vid to show how this works, but until then I’m gonna keep trying with the U-throw. It’s gaining some real potential.
“And btw, you’re wrong about the low tier thing. The thing that makes a character low tier is not winning.”
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Uh, tiers are based on what characters have an easier time winning most of the time with. Characters with the most good matchups are the top. If a character has MOSTLY bad matchups, what does that mean about them? think about it.
It’s like…you’re taking this personally or something. I mean, shit,I play fucking R. kima in A3 despite her being low-tier. Nobody is telling you to stop playing the character, nobody is saying you won’t win with him, we’re only saying he SUCKS.
Bottom line, Sonic isn’t much compared to the current high placing characters.
Marth can chase most of the cast to the edge of the stage with fairs and KO them at very low percentages with dair and has extremly high priority hits and disjointed hotboxes.
Sonic can’t do any of that.
Toon Link can camp, has a slow moving SHable projectile, really fast KO moves, a great RAR and an amazing meteor, disjointed hit boxes as well as a good reach.
Sonic doesn’t have any of that.
Meta has little to no lag on alot of his moves, great recovery, high priority, fast moves, and disjointed hitboxes.
Sonic doesn’t have any of that.
Wolf has a bunch of really safe, really hard hitting moves, a great meteor, a great RAR and long reaching moves.
Sonic…yeah.
Sonic really isn’t that bad. Someone won a tournament with him recently. He takes a long time of getting used to and a lot of strategic running away, but you have to think, he’s got the ability to escape from any character in the game or pressure anyone when he wants at any time. Most of his KO ability comes from off the top of the screen. Generally how I see good players do it is they’ll get them relatively high on the screen and then up B to the opponent and use uair or whatever to knock them the rest of the way off. He’s got a nice mix up of running attack or running throw. I think his B moves have a lot of potential. People sleep on him now but he’s actually a really good character when someone smart plays him. Just go watch some videos.