Maybe I can help you out a little. Here is Ike’s entry in Sonic’s swf match up guide.
*Ike:
What to do:
Punish him after any whiffed attack
Use your speed and he shouldn’t hurt you as much, he’s pretty slow.
Gimp him, his recovery sucks. Don’t be shy about spring spiking him either.
Mix it up with your grabs, this helps against his counter and super armor as well.
Do not (The bad):
If your predictable or get cornered , SONIC WILL GET PWNED!!!
Be careful of his faster attacks (Nair, AAA combo, Ftilt, Utilt & Bair).
Be mindful, they will approach with Fairs. They will also camp with this too while you are approaching with any spin dashes.
Power moves will FAIL against Ike, use speed tactics instead.
ummmmm… range.
They will RAR their Bair as a approach tactic.*
Personally, I’ve never had much of a problem with Ike. The main thing I do never stop moving. Sonic’s speed can throw Ike off balance pretty well. As for Metaknight, yeah, that shit’s painful. The biggest tip I can give you is to stay unpredictable. I wish I could help more, but I havent fought too many Metaknights.
About the vid: I’ve seen that guide a few times, but I havent been able to try anything in till recently (wii repairs and all sigh). Really the homing attack section alone helped sooo much. Using the HA to gimp and kill makes me feel all warm and tingly.
to be honest…Rioting Soul picked up Ike and I got used to him…After having to deal with the sword swings and what not I don’t think Ike is really that big a deal any more. I wanted to fight Emblem Lord’s Ike again cause I haven’t done so in awhile just to be sure. So far right now i’m thinking “Ike” > still learning hedgehog. I put Ike in quotes because it probably doesn’t matter if Ike is experienced or not in the situation because Sonic’s gonna run into shit regardless. If Ike is trying to come in with his forward b…and you spot it then Sonic probably shouldn’t worry much about it at all and just jump out there…right in front of it. If sonic takes the forward b then shrugs no problem…Ike’s falling to his doom…if not…You get a free attack to possibly put him even further out there. If Ike goes under the ledge though then just let him get back up for the time being…I think I had actually come up with some type of solution for when Ike tries to catch the ledge with his Up B but I can’t remember it at the moment…If it comes back to me I’ll be sure to post it.
As for Metaknight, I already posted some things that I feel should be done in that match up…but I don’t think that match up will ever not be an up hill battle. It can be won…but it’s gonna be tough and tedious on both ends, especially since 95% of everything that MK does beats Sonic out cleanly. Both characters are going to be looking to keep the other off balance…and most of the time if MK is actually starting to feel pressured he’ll just try to tornado to reset everything. You just have to know the MK player and really try to see what they’re doing…If I or anyone else comes up with better methods or info on the match up then I’m sure we’ll post it.
Agreed. I’m just saying it’s a nice all around tip in general, so it helped more than just Sonic for me ^_^.
I fight Ike entirely too freaking much. A good Ike is very defensive and will only use safe attacks (which translates to fair, dsmash and A, A, A). The key is pretty much to bait him into doing something, then punish it. If they do anything unsafe, consider it a free throw- but don’t underestimate his priority and range, though, as taking any hit from him can cost you a stock.
This goes doubly for Great Aether. That attack’s horizontal range is insane, so be careful when baiting it.
I’ve never had much of a problem with Ike either. The best Ike I’ve played is a friend who never really touches him, and even he doesn’t make Ike much of a threat. And the only Meta Knights I have a problem with are the ones that tornado well. I dunno how Sonic would deal with that
Rest assured, if you ever feel the need to be reminded of why Ike beats Sonic down, you can play me. Actually, I could probably write a decent “what not to do” when fighting Ike since well, I main Ike and slice Sonic’s face off 90% of the time. Some of the stuff is in ReiGun’s post…but some of it isn’t.
Anyway, that Sonic video was good stuff. I was thinking about giving him a shot since I’ve never really played him or Snake seriously.
Actually, I could probably write a decent “what not to do” when fighting Ike since well, I main Ike and slice Sonic’s face off 90% of the time. Some of the stuff is in ReiGun’s post…but some of it isn’t.