Is America done in SF5?

[Starslicer]

It’s just one tournament out of many.

The best will always be the best and there’s still long time for some to rise among the rest.

Hell, all the characters aren’t even out yet.

[blufang]

Americans are too fat, lazy. Drink too much beer, eat too many donuts, don’t take anything seriously. They worry about things like story mode, and writing fanfictions of street fighter characters. They concern themselves with styling showmanship rather than doing what it takes for victory.

Meanwhile the Japanese are all business, every minute spent playing SFV is a productive minute. Every minute not playing SFV, aside from the necessity of 3 meals and sleep, is spent meditating and visualizing victory and various match up scenarios.

America never stood a chance.

That explains why a Korean won.

Korean!? Haha (nervous laughter)…of course, I know the difference between Japanese and Korean, just slipped my mind. Yes, Infiltration a Korean won the tournament. Yes.

[Juicinator]

I don’t understand why people thought sonic fox wouldn’t do good at this game. He is great at every fighting game he playes

[UCFinish]

3 of the 5 gods were at final round.

Also America has to much of a tradition of footsies IMHO, need to get some stank in their gameplay like the Japanese.

Both of these points are excellent. It would seem that some people have allowed the narrative to become “Any unknown Japanese player could beat even the best American player” which is…false. If people want to say something along the lines of “It would seem that top Japanese players are better than top American players,” which, on average, I can’t really argue with. However, I also have faith in Justin and Ricki. So we’ll see what happens with them as the game develops.

Reading the second point, I immediately thought of the B5 Alpha 3 tournament. I think it really demonstrates the overall difference in styles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2-NZveWfSk

[DevilJin_01]

I don’t understand why people thought sonic fox wouldn’t do good at this game. He is great at every fighting game he playes

Pretty much equates to people didn’t think he would have the footsies and patience required to be good at it. He was known in his other games to play very aggressive and random which people used to downplay him.

At this point though hes shown that he is a lot more solid than people give him credit for and a character like FANG totally fits his play style any way.

[IglooBob]

I think the average serious Japanese player is definitely better than the average serious American player in pretty much every SF game. The average American SF player kinda sucks

It’s not really a fair comparison though. If the vast majority of the American mid level and up FGC lived in the same 3-4 cities our players would be a lot better. If you live in Tokyo you are a 20 minute train ride away from some of the best players in the world and another 200 still pretty good players on any given night. Even in 3s in 2016 I was able to find completely packed arcades of just 3s players with multiple really strong players for every matchup every night. How many Americans have competition availability even close to that?

I am curious if this trend will continue with sf5 not having an arcade release.

Also our dicks are bigger so yeah

[Neclord]

kazunoko lost to mago & tokido. and of course top 9-16 is mostly american, who else is it supposed to be? tournament is 99% americans

and sonic fox is evo champion in 3 different games and probably the biggest talent in the country, only a matter of time before he’s the best american SF5 player

its simply impossible for americans to admit not being the best at something. and if they do, its always followed by an excuse why they are not the best

I agree with almost everything you said. But best American player? He will be very good, but I doubt he will be as good as Justin for example. Especially in the long run.

[specs]

Yes, America is done in this brand new game nobody still knows much about.

Jesus fuck.

[Dime]

Yeah, the thing about Japan is that the scene is really condensed. I was at my strongest (slightly below top player strength) when I was frequenting arcades with top players running the machines all day. I wasn’t strong because “IM” strong, I was strong because I could see top players play against each other and break each other down and then I could X copy their strats.

I also learned that when at arcades people REALLY study your style and break you down. Everyone is cheating

I might play 5 matches and win them all with everyone playing a grounded game against me, then one player would just start jumping in against me and having success or beat me off the sticks…next time I play everyone is jumping at me. It’s literally like having scouting reports on your weaknesses. That’s why the arcade scene breeds such strong players… It’s kinda less the players and more the arcades.

Online depending on how you treat it can kinda be the same way. When we had strong sg play out here in AU, one of us crept passed everyone and became a force unto himself. He would often complain that no one could really challenge him and elevate him to getting better. I suggested that we make lobbies of King of the hill that way we could all study our styles against each other. He wanted to do it, but everyone was wishy washy on the idea. People just wanted to play sets, not study. But in the arcade you are FORCED to study while not playing since that’s all there is to do.

This is KINDA rectifiable though in the new online CFN:

You can watch people play against your nemesis/homies and cherry pick all their losses and see what they lost to, what character they lost to, what abuse they lost to etc etc etc

So it takes a bit more dedication but the arcade study culture is now available again but in a more widespread format.

[Juicinator]

kazunoko lost to mago & tokido. and of course top 9-16 is mostly american, who else is it supposed to be? tournament is 99% americans

and sonic fox is evo champion in 3 different games and probably the biggest talent in the country, only a matter of time before he’s the best american SF5 player

its simply impossible for americans to admit not being the best at something. and if they do, its always followed by an excuse why they are not the best

I agree with almost everything you said. But best American player? He will be very good, but I doubt he will be as good as Justin for example. Especially in the long run.

I would say that all depends on how long he sticks with street fighter 5 and how long he plays for. I think he could turn out to be the best American player, but it is way to early to tell. He has only played in 2 street fighter tuenaments and got 9th and 8th, and this last tuenaments was stacked. I agree he has a long way to go and we will see how he fares when everyone starts to know all the matchups.

[chuchoyei]

It would seem like the japanese share tech amongst each other, while top player in the US are stuck with an old school mentality to keep stuff to themselves or only share it within themselves which makes them better than everyone in their area but they suffer when challenged with international competition.

ie. Arturo twitter is full of this, Justin offering secret advice to Arturo, Graham Wolfe and Arturo calling Kelvin Jeon a traitor after he showed Nemo some Vega tech he already knew.

On the other hand you have people like Hameko or Ino sharing a lot of their lab findings over twitter.

This kind of mentality is a relic of the old era and needs to die, you should be winning with solid play not “tech”.

[Digital]

american society is alot different from the Japanese… not saying good or bad, just different.

they take this e-sport shit alot more seriously… i think its cause they are too weak to play real sports like footbal, basket ball or wrestling so they gotta flex their brain muscles harder than us.

ill whup diago’s ass on the bball court bruh… like ill slam dunk the ball while hes still holding on to it and put him through the hoop too

[FengShuiEnergy]

american society is alot different from the Japanese… not saying good or bad, just different.

they take this e-sport shit alot more seriously… i think its cause they are too weak to play real sports like footbal, basket ball or wrestling so they gotta flex their brain muscles harder than us.

ill whup diago’s ass on the bball court bruh… like ill slam dunk the ball while hes still holding on to it and put him through the hoop too

Probably not the best choice of words.

[RocketUppercut]

american society is alot different from the Japanese… not saying good or bad, just different.

they take this e-sport shit alot more seriously… i think its cause they are too weak to play real sports like footbal, basket ball or wrestling so they gotta flex their brain muscles harder than us.

ill whup diago’s ass on the bball court bruh… like ill slam dunk the ball while hes still holding on to it and put him through the hoop too

But Lupe proved that his brain muscles are even stronger than Daigo or his nippon niggas.

[Starslicer]

Americans will always be a step behind the Japanese.

Even if America would get the game 3 months in advance before the Japanese, the Japanese will still send 3-4 players to your majors and bask in your pool, you will always start a festival and chant OK USA! in your majors when one of your top players manage to beat a Japanese because it will always be seen as an amazing feat, while the Japanese see you as mere pot money stepping stones.

There are many obvious factors that make it so the Japanese will remain superior, stop listening to guys like Artaro talking about catching up, you aint catching up to shit, and never will.

Cry.

lol bodler when did you become a model?

[hteng]

more like Infiltration sweeping the floor against everyone, no japan, no america.

[Digital]

Americans are too fat, lazy. Drink too much beer, eat too many donuts, don’t take anything seriously. They worry about things like story mode, and writing fanfictions of street fighter characters. They concern themselves with styling showmanship rather than doing what it takes for victory.

Meanwhile the Japanese are all business, every minute spent playing SFV is a productive minute. Every minute not playing SFV, aside from the necessity of 3 meals and sleep, is spent meditating and visualizing victory and various match up scenarios.

America never stood a chance.

/thread

its a difference in lifestyles and ethics… USA wants to waste their energy on macdonnals and watching basketball and shitposting on istagram and twitter while the asians are all about progressing their life from every angle.

I’m not a weab or anything but thats how it is.

Watching these tournaments is embarrassing honestly… I don’t watch anything but top 4 anymore cause its just too horrible to watch this fat justin wong fatty get outplayed every single time.

[Shumabot]

Americans are too fat, lazy. Drink too much beer, eat too many donuts, don’t take anything seriously. They worry about things like story mode, and writing fanfictions of street fighter characters. They concern themselves with styling showmanship rather than doing what it takes for victory.

Meanwhile the Japanese are all business, every minute spent playing SFV is a productive minute. Every minute not playing SFV, aside from the necessity of 3 meals and sleep, is spent meditating and visualizing victory and various match up scenarios.

America never stood a chance.

/thread

its a difference in lifestyles and ethics… USA wants to waste their energy on macdonnals and watching basketball and shitposting on istagram and twitter while the asians are all about progressing their life from every angle.

Wait, wouldn’t being super dominant in a videogame indicate a progression in only one single angle? Is Infil also a world class cook?

[MKKhanzo]

Japan “FGC lab” is stronger. Just watch the Daigo streams. Damn he even has the 5 Gods with him training and dissecting the game for good. But the other side of this is Infiltration. I havent seen much of him playing against the Japs online, contrary of PoongKO who have some good sets vs them, and look: Infil wins FR19 seemingly without efforts. So he can be a God without training vs them. He has always been talented. Also it helps that this game has a touch of the SFxT feel (yes, I went there) and Infil was THE BEST at that game. Again, all by himself.

Its too early to tell who will “rise up” (pun).

As of NOW (read: NOW), Crusher with Birdie might be the only player who can stand to Infil in a long set. Judging only by videos of course.

EDIT: props to Sonic FOx tho. An “other games” or “non sf” game player doing VERY well in a STACKED tournament.

[Hyun_Sai]

ie. Arturo twitter is full of this, Justin offering secret advice to Arturo, Graham Wolfe and Arturo calling Kelvin Jeon a traitor after he showed Nemo some Vega tech he already knew.

That can’t be real…