Damn, then that’s really messed up. Captain America had the most screen time in The Avengers and he only got paid $3 million? I’d put super upset if I learned that RDJ got $50 million while I got paid a fraction of that for comparatively the same amount of work.
Im not a big comic fan so when writers and directors take liberties with the material it doesnt really bother me if its executed well. This was just a big fat expensive turd of a movie. I would even go as far as saying I thought GI Joe retaliation was a WAY better movie.
Voodazz pretty much nailed why i hated it plus a couple of other things BUT MAINLY THE FUCKING KID. Why do they cram shit like that down our throats? Do they really think kids wont be able to identify with the movie unless they put a kid in it? Like are kids supposed to be like “OMG HES A KID JUST LIKE ME, HELPING TONY STARK, WOWWW!”. The “wahh my dad left me” shtick was cringe inducing. As a matter of fact I cringed so many times during this movie I might have a few wrinkles.
-It was a waste of Ben Kingsley
-The amount of times massive explosions happen inches away from people and they are untouched was ridiculous
- A LOT of the jokes fell flat. The writing was all around shit.
- Just way too fucking long man this movie could have totally been under 2 hours.
- Not enough awesome from Ironman. The remote control thing lowered the stakes. In the first and second movie you had all these demonstrations of how bad ass the suit was but in this movie all he did in it was fly and zap a couple of guys with the hand jets. He even did way more awesome shit in the Avengers movie, a movie where he had to share screen time with many other heroes. I feel like they really downgraded ironman. I dont want to see Tony Stark, action hero. I dont want to see a gimped ironman in a unfinished suit. I needed just a little more PHOTON CANNON.
- THE CONSTANT REFERENCES TO THE AVENGERS MOVIE. Why not let this just be its own film?
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-The part where he saves the people who fell from the plane was terrible
-Why did he all of the sudden not know how to use a gun when he teamed up with Rhodes at the end when earlier in the movie he CLEANED OUT the mansion with a pistol???
-I hate when a movie like this, that is supposed to be escapism, has so many references to current events and topical stuff. The president looked like Bush and had interests in Oil (roll eyes), They turned “the mandarin” and his organization into Bin Laden/Al Queada. Cmon.
- Why did Killian have so much beef with the US Guv and want to kill the president anyway? I didnt feel like his motives were clearly explained.
-I didnt think guys that heated up and blew up were that cool of a villain to be honest and their power varied throughout the movie. How would starks be able to handle that chick in the bar without being scorched? - Why would the self destruct mode of the suit not kill killian but pepper blowing up a mini missile on him did?
- After one of the President’s security guards took a few shots at the War Machine suit with no result why did the rest of them keep trying to shoot him? Why were ironman and war machine using pistols at all?
Why didnt John Favreau or Joss Whedon direct this one?
How the critics didnt slam this is baffling to me, some checks must have been written.
I didnt even stay until the end of the credits, when this movie was that bad who gives a fuck.
I’d definitely have to go see this again; so good.
I see one of the popular anti-manderin arguments around here to rationalize the EPIC lame that took place in this movie, is that they just didn’t care about the character anyway. Ok but can ANYONE in here honestly say they CARED about Pierce’s generic evil Ceo fire guy villain? Even after seeing the awesome build-up of manderin previously?
Seriously, they scrapped an awesome movie-verse reimagining of the Manderin half-way through for a poor man’s johnny Storm? No sir.
Agreed. As much as the Manderin stuff(and the retard villain they replaced him with) bothered me, it was also just a clumsy ass movie overall. Sure the action looked nice at times, but even that was as much of a non-sensical clusterfuck of a mess as the rest of the movie.
Iron Man 3 proudly takes its place alongside the likes of Spider-Man 3 and Aliens 3, for its place as the movie that $%&* up a promising trilogy!
I saw it last night and so with Kim having those dragon tats did that mean anything or am i grasping at straws here?
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Just a few comments on the bitching in the thread…
Would breathing fire at Ironman do ANYTHING? It only was effective against Rhodes because he was stationary and then squishy.
No the movie wasn’t Tony in a suit the whole fucking time. Get over it. They went for less ‘cram special effects and shit down their throats’ and more ‘Make the movie Tony-centric’. I personally LIKED that Tony acted more the role of hero than reliant purely on the suit.
Remote control Ironman’s were piff. ‘No tension’? Like you knew that ‘wasn’t’ Tony when he got hit by the mack truck. Even at the end its still bullshit, they served purely as ‘fodder canceling’, and lead to what was IMO a VERY well choreographed fight between Killian and Tony. It wasn’t ‘spam suits at Killian till he died’, he fought Killian and used the suits as tools. Ya’ll are reaching on that bullshit.
Mandarin twist was great for the movie - multi-villain movies almost always shoe horn - this was a great way to help focus on the two of them (Tony/Killian) going back and forth instead of making the movie too long or watering things down. It also actually made sense. Now if you’re one of those folks that wanted something form the comics…I can understand the ‘short changing’, but it was honestly for a better movie.
Comments on Avengers movie…ugh he was pretty much the ‘main’ character in the Avenger’s movie, HIS building was fucked up, etc. If anything they could label this Ironman 3.5 and not been ‘wrong’. The ties to the Avengers movie made sense, and honestly didn’t have any real impact on the movie anyways - the only thing I ‘think’ it leads to is what Tony does at the end, which I think leads him back to what’s in the comic, and will be revealed in Av2.
I don’t know what people expected wit hthe bashing going on here. I’m not going to pretend like its a GOAT movie, but ya’ll are acting like this shit is X3. It had all the elements you WANT in a movie, it tied into the past movies, it was sprinkled with easter eggs, it had lots of special effects without going overboard, it had a villain whom was comparable to the hero…in the typical ‘mirror’ way, it had the expected one-liners and IM (movie) humor, the plot made sense (Come on @TheMaidenMasha the VP had a daughter missing a limb, gov’t funding in Extremis would help and hey he wanted to be Pres, having the Pres in your back pocket would be great for Killian as well)
Maybe SRK is overreacting because of the scale of the movie…on some comic hipster shit.
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As for Avenger comments. ScarJo can go, she aint worth anything. I’d feel different if I felt she brought something, but she is a stand in 50% of the time ANYWAYS. In general though Marvel needs to swallow the bill on casting. It’s a negotiation, and they need to be ‘fair’ about it. If it wasn’t for comic book movies, MArvel would have FOLDED by now. If Marvel wants to continue building towards the big story arcs (IW), it will be carried by the actors just as much as the backstory - RDJ IS Ironman, Chris pulls off CapA better than anyone else prolly could…and its magnified because this isn’t some singular movie series, but a build-up - so they need to maintain some level of consistency. B-characters like Hawkeye and Black Widow and War MAchine can be switched out, but the main characters who get stand alone movies? Offer them HEAVY money on the back-end and keep it low up front - everyone wins.
A black dude is the top pick to play Human Torch. HAR
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Don’t forget about Maria Hill (aka Robin Scherbatski), if they did drop Widow, it’d open the door for her checking off both a female hero, replacing Widow and not sacrificing much in story.
Hahaha freakin’ Zumba. Okay I’ll bite and assume that she received some sort of self-defense zumba skills. Just sign me up in the class that teaches you how to wall jump and kick projectiles at targets with perfect precision. Maybe that class also taught her how to instantly control her new powers.
What would have been a better end credits easter egg is Tony Stark talking to Steve Rogers in a boxing ring. At least that way we can get some sort of explanation on why Tony and Pepper are suddenly so hand to hand capable and it would give fanboys boners because Captain America trained Stark “in da comics!” Hell even a mention of it during the movie would have been cool.
They gave a hint to Stark’s hand-to-hand training in the beginning when he was testing the suit. He threw some quick punches at a training dummy.
I respectfully disagree. I can see a lot of your points, but there are so many contrived points of logic that escape most movies. I don’t care what movie it is, there is always a better way for the main character to handle business. I would agree with you on the waste of Kingsley (in the way we wanted to see him). I put a lot of the fault on the trailers representing the villain in one light and giving us something completely out of the wazoo.
A number of your points are trying to base this world in a true real world. There are elements ground (based) in reality but this is fiction. It defies our laws of physics. A 3,000 degree explosion would vaporize more than just those in 12 feet for sure. Concrete is structurally volatile at 1000 degrees, most of that building wouldn’t be standing.
- While the movie run was 2 hrs 6 min, 10 of those were alotted to the credits sequence alone, so it is technically under 2 hrs.
-I never get in an debate of the writing, we all have opinions. I thought it captured the essence of the first movie fairly well, with a number of tie-ins to previous entries of the phase one plan. This has to reference events of The Avengers. That is how Marvel makes this whole thing one cinematic universe.
Since you put it in spoilers, I’ll do so as well -
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-The plane sequence was awesome IMO. There was quite of bit of this scene that was done with practical effects and a sky diving team. Of course, the Mark 42 in all cases was composited
-The gun use, really can’t explain. First scene was a pneumatic nail gun which is a “gun”. Then the part with the Uzi he did have part of his armor so a confidence boost. I think the weaker gun play was done to show that Rhodes is more bad ass and give the heroes something to worry about. Not the best execution.
-The terrorist point was nothing more than a concoction of ideas from the AIM think tank. Remember, Killian told the President that he’s killing him for oil because it was a good look for publicity. He would then own the terror network and have the VP as his puppet. Then both sides of the war will be controlled by Killian, with a profit.
- There was quite a bit of exposition in the scene with Stark being captive as well as the scene once the president got there. It’s corporate greed, plus he was Anti-Stark (literally and figuratively)
-The Extremis soldiers were kinda meh, but gave them an element that Stark never considered. About the chick in the bar, she was never “flaming hot”, with the exception of the cuff melt. It’s the science of all movies again, you can find an easier/ more efficient way to do things, but then why go watch it. - Killian’s death was internal vs the MK42 blast being external. That’s why Savin died from the Unibeam in the chest. Guess the Hot Wings chick got her heart blasted out, I dunno.
- Why does any military/ protection squad keep shooting at a target, to kill it. It just takes a lot of bullets. Never know you might hit the sweet spot. I don’t think Iron Man ever used a pistol. Remember Rhodes was not using the IP suit, it was Savin. Even when he blasted the guy with the repulsor, he was surprised, then went back to conventional weapons.
Regarding the directors, I am not sure. I simply believe that Whedon was simply not tapped for it. I do know that Favreau still was the Executive Producer of the movie, which is still a pretty big deal.
Most critics say it was good, but do point out a good bit of the flaws, it’s just that the good outweighs a lot of the bad.
End Credits - IMO, you didn’t miss much anyway.
True but why not have a framed photo of Steve and Tony giving a “thumbs up solider” pose hanging on the wall? Comedy genius!
Still can’t believe this movie replaced the extremis plot…this is why I hate comic book movies.
who needs super soldier serum when you can just drink some magical hot sauce?
Yup Iron Man 3 sucked overall and was a great, big, non-nonsensical mess. Say what you will about IM2 and its missteps, but it was a hell of a lot better written and executed than this junk heap. The entire thing was rough around the edges, like an essay that needed 3-4 more rough drafts. Even the big fight at the end was an obnoxious clusterf&^k in need of improvement.
The only positive thing i can say about IM3 is they did NOTHING in the way of advancing the next Avengers movie, not even nick Fury was there! Nor was there any long-term changes(you know the hamfisted ending will be undone when Avengers 2 comes out). So because it was so self-contained we’ll be able to forget this pile of crap existed and it won’t mess with Avengers(or even Iron Man) continuity much, if at all.
So lets see now. We have…
Aliens 3
X-Men 3
RoboCop 3
Spider-Man 3
Austin Powers 3
Blade 3
Superman 3
Terminator 3
Rambo 3
And now you can add Iron Man 3 onto the list of horrible threequels that RUINED what was a promising trilogy.
Man you’re a fucking drama queen.
xmen 3 was really shitty…
When you witness a trilogy that you care about come crashing down in flames like that? You’ll be a little dramatic about it as well.
It didn’t crash into flames. It may not have made you happy, but it wasn’t a clusterfuck. It wasn’t a faithful adaption, but if that’s what I wanted I’d just watch the Extremis shit on Netflix (if they didn’t yank it already).
Again - it wasn’t perfect, but I can’t see what more people can want. The ONLY part of the movie that got under my skin was the missile attack…the shockwave from the missile would have killed everyone. But I mean what’s wrong with the last fight? It was hyper-chereographed, great effects, great speed, great movement, witty, sufficient in length, and an unsurprising surprise ending. People feel some need for a movie ot be either the best ever or the worst ever. A fair review has it as solid movie, if you have it at the high-end ‘meh’ I don’t really agree, if you got it on the low end, you’re either on that comic hipster shit, or I question your overall taste and ability to fairly review media. The fighting was handled extremely well - especially integrating partial suit combat into the mix, the ‘love’ element was there, but handled perfectly, the realism (and shift away from alchol) to panic attacks was a BRILLIANT and realistic way to tie in the Avengers movie.
Honestly…if you didn’t like this movie at all, you prolly didn’t like Avengers or any of the other shizz.
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Oh yeah, that was kind of dumb. Point blank missile explosion to their faces and they just float away like a slo-mo ballet. No major internal trauma, no severed limbs or shrapnel damage, etc. I don’t even think Pepper’s hair was that messed up.
One more nitpick: during Tony’s fight with extremis chick, when he used her heat to melt his cuffs, his hands and most of his forearms should have been burned off. I don’t know the exact temperature is to MELT steel but I have stood next to a metal smelter before and even while wearing protective gear, I could still feel that intense heat.
Again, that scene got an eye roll from me.
Meh yes and no. It would have been extreme heat, but air is actually a pretty good insulator, so while the air would get super hot, for how long of a time we are talking about, its actually pretty realistic for him to not have taken major damage from it. The damage comes from duration, you can swing your hand thru fire without getting burned or even cinged. To be honest, he should have been more hurt from heat exposure from fighting Killian.
Like from a physics and reality perspective, there were only a few ‘bad’ moments. The people flying out the airplane? People die from falling too fast - people will black out, have heart attacks, etc…all of them acted completely fine (they were pros heh), and when IM reversed trajectory to drop them, the reality is he would have dislocated shoulders or ripped off arms from the force required. The whole ‘electric grip’ was “Really?” inducing also. I’m on the fence about the ‘explosions’, the human body doesn’t have that kind of ‘energy’ (1) and (2) even if it did, there is back and forth dialog to be had about 3k kelvin explosion…the heat as @Optimus124 pointed out would melt/crack/crumble/evaporate even the concrete, but we don’t know how much mass reached that temp. If we are talking a single cubic inch reaching that temperature, then the explosion is nothing more than an instantaneous fireball (which lines up with what they actually tried to portray at times). It sounds like a job for Mythbusters tbh heh. But for sake of a ‘comic’ movie? The physics weren’t really abused that bad.
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