Doesn’t Abel’s Super count as a grab too though?
Ah, true, forgot about that. Still, shouldn’t matter too much unless your partner has a wall bounce.
cool i didn’t know his super was breathless. yeah i guess its a super grab too just not a traditional one.
was breathless good in the ssf4 series? i only ever saw people use it online. i can imagine some interesting setups using tag cancels and possibly supercharge
It was quite good in the first SSFIV iirc, then they nerfed it. A lot.
In sf4 did it have super armour or hyper
In SSFIV it had one point of super armor. In AE, I think they removed it when Abel started moving. In AE 2012 they gave it some projectile invincibility to compensate iirc.
Well, it had one hit of absorption. So that’s super armor?
yea that’s super armor…lol i wouldnt know because I always used sakura and i would always do a tatsu on abel’s wake up and that would shatter his armor
I wonder if breathless still a grab in this game?
Sounds like hugo’s much better than zangief…bummer(always used zangief in SF4/SSF4/AE)
Hugo seems like Zangief with more options. Gief’s lariet looks surprisingly weak in this as well.
What balances it? I know people are saying the SPD has better damage but it’s landing it as well.
i really hope gief isn’t that bad…because I’d like to use him just to stay true to my roots as a street fighter player
Ha, I know how you feel. If it wasn’t for Zangief, I probably wouldn’t play Street Fighter. That’s why I’m looking forward to this so much; I get to play with my favourite character but choosing a partner adds so much variation.
I’m just currently at a loss what he’s going to do that the other grapplers can’t with Hugo primarily in mind. Will Banishing Flat be useful in this engine?
Anyway, to add a more positive note to this page, what does everyone think of Zangief’s alt costume?
I think it would be fun to use this with Kuma, unless of course you’re using the R. Mika costume for him in which case vanilla is best. 
=( i really want zangief to have some stuff that puts him above hugo
Starwave posted this video in our comrade’s thread.
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Match starts 30 minutes in.
Zangief and Kuma, together at last.
its been a while…but i remember seeing a video where he can combo after larriet…but i cant remember where…might be the reason why it is kinda weak in this version.i will also say this about gief…he may not end up being the best grappler but i think he will still end up being near high to high mid teir. if you look at the cast of the game the majority of it is rushdown with very little fireballs invovled…he will still have the bad saget match up and sim (who you can switch to your partner to hopfuly take care of the problem) but i think the tekken side will have a hard time with him. when we get the game we will hopefully be happy with him…and besides you know you want to run gief hugo team like a boss.
does anyone think gief’s super will be better than hugo’s?
Perhaps in terms of pure damage? The ability to combo into a super (and possibly use pandora) means that Hugo’s is going to be a lot more versatile, though. It’s a pity, since Rufus has access to wallbouncing moves. What I’m wondering is how badly damage scaling will affect it.
Edit: Just remembered about this post earlier:
I think this is really interesting. A 360 super is going to be really scary compared to having to create room to buffer a 720 motion. 
that does sound pretty cool and really since i like using grapplers
gief’s probably my best bet since he’s the one true grappler
He is THE grappler, but not the only pure grappler, Hugo and T. Hawk are most definitely pure grapplers.