so basically you get paid for slacking? well, its Canada, so it makes sense
Right. And that’s why I proposed an alternative. And then they started with their “Meh, MAME is shit, too much configuration etc. etc.” stuff.
Alright, so why do they say this? It’s not like I proposed an alternative for Internet Arcade per se, just an alternative for games that are not available there.
By the way, what are the five ways that you can play SF2? (That’s not a sarcastic question. I’m actually interested.)
I have SFII available on my Snes, my Saturn (yes I still own these) my PS1 & PS2, have HDR on my 360, as well as on GGPO.
So actually 6 ways to play lol. I think I have a copy for my Dreamcast as well but I’m not sure.
You’re also not necessarily thinking of the legal issues, anything can be available for free if you’re willing to break the law. This is just browsing to a website and launching the game via a digital archive. I assume they either have permissions or remove games that get a DMCA request by the game makers. Either way its on them to handle the legal end.
Downloading Roms isn’t actually legal. Owning a rom that you created yourself from a board you own is, but going online any downloading free games can get you in legal trouble. So another point for this.
This is like a virtual arcade. I scroll through the page, look for art that catches my eye, and boot it up. Im not browsing mame for a list of game names and blindly going out to pick a rom from some shady website, placing it in the roms folder then giving it a look. I can press a button and instantly get a feel for the game.
Also, its just cool.
You’re still missing one version, though:
Oh, the ignorance. Yeah, I’m sure they have the permission of every single game company whose games they use. Sure.</sarcasm>
Which would be done by any ROM site as well. Also, in this case, uploading the games in the first place was illegal by them as well.
In theory, it might be a valid argument, but I doubt that it was that what the people here had in mind when they trashed MAME.
And for the last time: I didn’t compare Internet Arcade with MAME. I compared the possibility to play a certain game on MAME vs. the inability of playing it in Internet Arcade because Internet Arcade doesn’t have it.
Does everybody understand this already?
@DRW You’re preaching to the converted. You’re on a fighting game website. There are so many games in this genre where emulation is the only choice, do you REALLY think NO ONE here is aware that you can play SF2 on MAME? There’s just something about being able to play it at will without having to download anything.
Being able to play Castlevania on my phone is fucking awesome. Are there numerous better ways to play it? Sure. But being able to play Castlevania on my phone is fucking awesome.
They do. The Internet Archive archives all sorts of things, games included (now). They have permission to host every game on that site.
https://archive.org/details/arcade_sf2
they have SF2, for what it’s worth.
This project will only grow. Will it have every single game ever? Probably not. But they’re off to a damn good start.
No, I don’t think this of course. And I’m not preaching. I merely mentioned MAME in a short post. Then people went all “Meh, MAME sucks. Too much configuration, has to be installed” etc. that I had to answer some of the misconceptions.
By the way, since you mention that we’re on a fighting game website:
So, suddenly all these frame-counting combo fetishists who won’t touch these games with anything less but an authentic arcade controller and who spend hours and hours discussing the fact that Sagat’s hitbox during this and this attack in this and this revision of “Street Fighter IV” is two pixels wider than before, suddenly these people are content with playing “Street Fighter II - The World Warrior” on a web-based emulation (with possible input lag and whatnot), but dismiss MAME for needing too much configuration?
That’s right. Now, imagine, “Castlevania” wasn’t available for your phone. What would you do? Play “Castlevania” on an emulator on PC? Or saying: “Nah, I don’t want to use the emulator. I just hope that it will one day be available on my phone” and not playing “Castlevania” at all? Because that’s what was implied here:
“I wish I could play this and that game with Internet Arcade.”
“If it isn’t available in Internet Arcade, why don’t you use MAME?”
Logical answer: “Yeah, I’ll stick with MAME as long as Internet Arcade doesn’t have it, but if they get it, I will abolish MAME.”
Nonsensical answer: “Nah, MAME is crap.”
You see?
Can you prove this? Is there any mention by Capcom that they released “Street Fighter II” as a licensed game for Internet Arcade? Or did you just make this up on the spot? Because I don’t even find a statement where Internet Arcade itself claims that they have the rights, let alone a statement by Capcom or any of these companies to actually grant these rights. So, a source for your statement would be really helpful.
SF2 is an old game and I don’t think people not being able to play it is going to ruin anyone’s day. It’s just nice. Convenient. If SF2 never got added, I don’t think anyone would be distraught, it would just be cool to be able to play it.
obviously, rookie
“I’m raining on your parade.”
“Oh. Well, I think this is neat, and quite novel.”
“You’re wrong!”
“Well, we’re going to need to have a fruitless debate, then.”
It’s more like this:
“Hey, that’s great, but I wish I could play SF with it. Let’s really, really hope that they’ll add it.”
“And why don’t you use MAME? There, you can play SF.”
“Meh, MAME sucks. Too much configuration. Installation.”
“MAME doesn’t need to be installed. And the configuration is actually quite easy.”
“Nah, MAME sucks.”
“So, configuraing MAME and then playing SF is worse than not playing SF at all?”
Great. A generic article about the Internet Archive.
And now? Do you expect me to read the whole article?
If I do and if I don’t find a passage that talks about the question if the games are licensed, I would have no way of proving it to anybody since you would just say: "You just haven’t looked hard enough."
At least cite the exact passage that apparently supports your claim.
If you can’t do that, we have the following situation:
The Internet Archive archives websites without permission. They may take certain things down if prompted to do so, but they don’t ask in advance. For example, my own webiste is up there in various versions, yet, the Internet Archive has never written me and asked for permission.
That’s why it’s fair to assume that they do the same with video games: Uploading them until the corresponding company forbids it, instead of asking the company first.
So, unless you can show me an exact and authentic source that says that Internet Arcade has a license by all the game’s original developers/publishers, your statement is totally unproven. Linking me to the generic Wikipedia article won’t do anything to prove your claim, unless you can point me to the very specific statement that supports your claim. (And even then, Wikipedia cannot be considered a tustworthy source, so, you’d better go back and find the original place where Wikipedia got this knowledge from.)
Alright? Do you understand what I mean? Somebody who makes a claim has the burden of proof, not someone who dismisses it at unlikely. Shouldn’t be too hard if the information is really out there and you know what you’re talking about.
If you start bitching now, then I know that you never ever read anything about Internet Arcade having a license for these games and just made up a statement out of nothing.
Let’s see if I get an answer from you that includes a factual statement about the topic or if you will just be pissed like most people who fail to backup their claims because they weren’t correct in the first place.
well, at least we know u can read, that’s a plus.
yes
it specifically states they’re a non profit organization, that is now recognized as a library.
It’s not my job to walk you through every little discussion. I’m too busy to hold your hand, princess.
Since when does being a non-profit organization allow you to publish copies of commercial copyrighted material that’s not in the public domain?
According to this logic, I would be allowed to upload literally anything to my own website because it is completely non-profit and has no ad banners.
Or why do you think the only ROMs that the MAME website offers are ones in the public domain? If you were right, all the commercial ROMs could be hosted right at http://mamedev.org. But they aren’t.
Sorry, but your statements are nonsense. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
And about libraries: Actual libraries usually have hard copies of the stuff, that’s why they are allowed to rent it. That means, a library that owns a physical arcade board of “Street Fighter II” or a Super Nintendo cartridge of the game could of course give it to customers. But I’m pretty sure even a library would not get away with renting a burnt CD-R that has an emulator and the ROM files on it.
But it’s your job to backup your claims with proof. And it was you who made the original claim that Internet Arcade is allowed to publish the games.
It’s not my task to read through a huge text to find what you tell me is apparently there. And this is a very good example again:
I was asking for the passage that says that the Internet Arcade is allowed to publish the games. And in the end it turns out that all you were referring to is the fact that the Internet Archive is a non-profit organization. Which are two totally different things. So, had I read the article, I would have never gotten a backup of your original claim and I would have wasted my time.
You know what? I’m really considering writing a little mail to Capcom, informing them that the Internet Arcade publishes their games. I’d be really curious what they say.
But the thing is: If this really leads to the Internet Arcade having to remove any Capcom games, therefore proving my assumption that they don’t have a license, you would never admit your error. If Internet Arcade really had to remove all Capcom games because Capcom ordered them to do so, you would simply stop writing and we would never hear from you again in this thread. Because people like you never admit any mistakes.