/agreed
waits for this *** to neg rep me because of xenophobic 09er hate
Imo the questions you gotta ask in deciding whether to ban something are is the thing you want to ban too good, would banning make the game interesting, and is banning it even feasible in the first place?
Clearly the best thing in the game is Genei Jin, and nothing else is even close. In a tiering of best things, Genei Jin is in S and nothing else is even in A comparison. Not only does it let one of the fastest, most mobile characters in the game also deal the highest damage output (which is a retarded combination), but it lets him rule entire portions of rounds in a way that few characters in major fighting game history have been able to. That combination makes for a ridiculously un-interesting matchup for his opponent (at least in my opinion). Instead of the game being about something interesting like spacing or zoning or even about the straight up guessing 3S players like to do up close, it’s just about building and then using meter for Yun and stopping Yun from building meter for his opponent.
But the question is, is it too good? I don’t really know about that. Yeah, Yun beats or goes even with every character based very largely on Genei Jin; without it, he’d probably be a high mid tier character. But it’s not like you can’t play against Yun. I don’t really know what the threshold for banning should be, but I kinda don’t think it’s at that level. There’s no question in my mind that it satisfies the interesting-ness criterion, since for sure playing against Yun would be way more interesting without it, and it’s obviously a feasible ban because it’s something you can decide before the game even starts and can regulate really really easily, but yeah, I guess I don’t think it’s ban-worthy.
I think the same thing about Chun’s Houyokusen. Is it good? Crap yeah it’s good. But it’s really Chun as an overall package that makes her so good. That is, Chun Li essentially has some of the best whatever in almost every category: pokes, footsies, damage output, stun output, throw range, air attacks, defense, even ridiculous little things like having a tiny hitbox that whiffs under lots of combos, having the fastest jab in the game fast, or having a backup super in SAI that can punish half the normals in the game on block. Even if you slightly lessen her damage output (since remember, her SAI is actually still pretty good on that front), I still think she’s high tier and still beats lots of the characters handily. Would it make playing against her more interesting to ban SAII, and would that ban be feasible? For sure. But again, I don’t really think that SAII by itself is ban-worthy.
Frankly I think attempting to balance Third Strike by banning feasibly bannable things is kind of hopeless. Like say there’s no Genei Jin or Chun SAII; now Q only loses to Chun 7-3 and to Yun by 6-4 (or something), and he still loses to everyone else. In this game, if you’re not playing Chun, Yun, Ken, Makoto, Dudley, Yang, Urien, and Akuma, then sorry man, you go even or win in very few matchups and you’re not going to win any big tournaments ever; what’s the point of nerfing two characters when that doesn’t even out the lower tier characters’ matchups with those two characters and does nothing to address the lower tier characters’ problems with everyone else?
Interestingly, the thing is, those 6-8 top/high tier characters are already actually pretty well balanced by themselves; they all lose to Chun or Yun by a bit, but not by anything serious. Kens, Makotos, Dudleys, Uriens, and Yangs have all won big singles tournies I can remember off the top of my head, and Akumas I know have placed high and won team tournaments. So when every reasonable tournament player is already only playing characters who can deal with Chun and Yun alright as is, are Chun and Yun really a problem?
In other words, I think that without a serious HDRemix style overhaul, the game basically can’t be balanced, and that it kind of doesn’t really even need to be. I would love to see a rebalanced 3S in which the lower half or 2/3 of the cast is buffed and a couple things about the top/high tier characters are slightly nerfed (and the parry system is made a little more reasonable somehow), but until then I think the game is alright.
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Wow, you’re an idiot. Really, if you’re going to sit at your computer and take the time out of your life to put someone down, at least do it right.
Wow, you’re an idiot.
Also, this is a really bad thread and I regret clicking on it, I really regret it.
there are only 8 characters in 3s
WHAT
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The guy is posting an interest check on a possible tourney. If you’re not interested move along.
Here’s an idea for a tournament, how about one that actually allows people from the entirety of fucking europe to play.
Nah.
not a very good idea. just like everyone else thinks of it.
"So we’re supposed to start holding tournaments that cater to the rest of the cast by nerfing the top two characters? Honestly, what point is there in even entering a tournament where you aren’t going to face the best that the parameters of the game have to offer? What do you tell yourself when you place well in said tournament?
“WOW I’M A LOT BETTER WHEN PEOPLE AREN’T ALLOWED TO PLAY THESE TWO CHARACTERS USING THESE TWO SUPERS AGAINST ME!”
Honestly, that doesn’t sound rewarding at all to me. That would be like Roger Goodell (comissioner of the NFL) saying “HEY, THE COLTS AND THE PATRIOTS HAVE BEEN DOMINATING THE AFC FOR THIS ENTIRE DECADE! ANYONE INTERESTED IN ALLOWING THEM TO STAY IN THE LEAGUE, BUT NOT ALLOW THEM TO START PEYTON MANNING AND TOM BRADY?! IT’LL BE A LOT MORE FUN AND COMPETITIVE THAT WAY!”, which in turn undermines the competitive nature of the sport.
In my opinion, doing well when elite and perfectly fair tactics are banned proves nothing. It just shows that you’re more willing to play by a special set of rules than you are to actually put in the effort to face top level tactics, or (GOD FORBID) try and adopt them. If you don’t want to face SA II Chun and Genei-jin Yun, find players who don’t play them play casuals with them.
This is SRK, it should be obvious how the majority of us feel about stuff like this."
this is srk, and we like to bitch and moan about any opinion we dont find agreeable, because new ideas are against the church of srk’s canon. that is infringement upon free speech and showing a lot of closed mindedness to boot.
by the way this guy does play 3s normally. what he is getting at is that character-use diversity is getting to the point where it is like mvc2 at the higher levels. in order to counter balance this, he suggest that the characters “best” supers not be used in a concept tournament. I don’t care how much you caps lock, you are not being legitimately helpful. If you aree not interested you are wasting your own time by posting in this thread.
As for me, I vote yay. Chun’s sa1 can compensate for sa2 very well. Her sa3 is never used due to how often it misses. But seeing different styles of the top tiers being used for once makes me happy. For instance sa3 grants chun a lot of ex. Believe it or not chun has combos, and some damaging ones, granted she has ex to spend. She even has some 50 percent corner juggles on larger characters (jump fw/late hk, c mk, ex sbk, ex legs) . I’m all for her being more offensive and hard working.
As for yun not having gj… His other supers still do a heck of a lot of damage, even his “crappy” sa2 proves decent. I really look forward to someone being different. I myself use sa3 alex. typical response: OMG NUB YER SUPER IS TEH LAMEZORZ DEY KIN JAB OUT OF IT HURR.
But you cant jab in hitsun, which is why you combo into the darn thing in the first place, which is what I do (if the opponent doesn’t just jump and land a free setup for me by doing so). Creativity. It does a player good.
All this complaining doesn’t really prove anything worthwhile, it just is what it is, theory warriors.