No. 3S’s balance isnt fixed this way. Leave the entire rebalancing of the cast to Capcom or a really dedicated fan. Either way it would take a long time to get right. :china:
looks at comment looks at join date Wow your an idiot, Here’s the tier list: http://www.versuscity.net/2009/05/30/arcadia-july-tier-list-trouble/
*Yang was always Upper tier.
Wow you’re an idiot. Enjoy your neg.
In regards to the OP, you’re also an idiot. Enjoy your neg as well. As somebody else has alluded to, they’d love your theory of game balance over at Smashboards.
My theory of game balance? Are you saying that 3rd Strike is a game where more than 4/19 characters are viable options for winning tournaments or not?
You can call me an idiot, but your post didn’t talk about why my ideas wouldn’t work…IN-GAME, at all.I have the matchup chart on my side. I have tourney results on my side. Those show that Yun and Chun-Li dominate tournaments, and have for many years.
I have no problem with you guys disagreeing with me, I just wish you’d put some actual 3rd Strike knowledge into your arguments instead of resorting to sarcastic bullshit and insults.
The Smash Bros. Community is famous for banning things in their tournaments, but they want to make their game tourney-worthy and diverse, and that’s a noble cause. The Street Fighter community has banned characters in its games as well (Super Turbo Akuma and Gill). It is thought that if these characters were allowed in tourneys, they’d be the only characters that would win tourneys. Yun and Chun-Li are the only characters that win tourneys. Doesn’t it make sense that we ban them too?
On a side note…one person talked about banning Sagat’s ultra because Sagat dominates SF4. I’m gonna go ahead and tell you why that idea is ridiculous and mine is not.
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Sagat does not dominate SF4. He has plenty of even matchups, where as Yun and Chun do NOT have even matchups with any characters in 3rd Strike except themselves. SF4 tourneys are won by other characters besides Sagat. Major 3rd Strike tourneys are not won by other characters besides Chun-Li and Yun.
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Even if you ban Sagat’s ultra, players still have to have it as an option in game, because you can’t pick alternate ultras. We could ban Yun and Chun’s supers, though, and people could just use the other two supers.
So we’re supposed to start holding tournaments that cater to the rest of the cast by nerfing the top two characters? Honestly, what point is there in even entering a tournament where you aren’t going to face the best that the parameters of the game have to offer? What do you tell yourself when you place well in said tournament?
“WOW I’M A LOT BETTER WHEN PEOPLE AREN’T ALLOWED TO PLAY THESE TWO CHARACTERS USING THESE TWO SUPERS AGAINST ME!”
Honestly, that doesn’t sound rewarding at all to me. That would be like Roger Goodell (comissioner of the NFL) saying “HEY, THE COLTS AND THE PATRIOTS HAVE BEEN DOMINATING THE AFC FOR THIS ENTIRE DECADE! ANYONE INTERESTED IN ALLOWING THEM TO STAY IN THE LEAGUE, BUT NOT ALLOW THEM TO START PEYTON MANNING AND TOM BRADY?! IT’LL BE A LOT MORE FUN AND COMPETITIVE THAT WAY!”, which in turn undermines the competitive nature of the sport.
In my opinion, doing well when elite and perfectly fair tactics are banned proves nothing. It just shows that you’re more willing to play by a special set of rules than you are to actually put in the effort to face top level tactics, or (GOD FORBID) try and adopt them. If you don’t want to face SA II Chun and Genei-jin Yun, find players who don’t play them play casuals with them.
This is SRK, it should be obvious how the majority of us feel about stuff like this.
I know the tier list. Not everyone thinks it is sacred. While the top 2 aren’t really debatable, the positions of the rest of the cast are. Hugo has been moving, for example.
Thanks for taking care of that Grimm.
I think your analogy doesn’t really work here. Your analogy is the equivalent of banning Daigo or Nuki from EVO because no one can beat them if they enter or something. What would work for a better analogy in the football scenario is banning the use of steroids because they provide an unfair advantage to the players who use them…and steroids are actually banned. NFL plays with “its own set of rules”. They also don’t let people bring guns onto the field and murder the other team. No shit there are some tools they don’t let people use. That’s a given in almost any game.
We STILL play with “our own set of rules” when we ban Gill. EVO winners take for granted that they didn’t have to fight any Gill players during the tournament, but we could allow him, and he would dominate, just like Chun and Yun dominate in 3rd Strike today.
If beating Yun and Chun were just a matter of putting in more effort…they would not be dominating tourneys anymore. It’s obvious that their success in the game is because no one has the options to deal with their options consistently. Even the best players in the game take damage from Genei-Jin 90% of the time. It is similar to Akuma’s air fireball in ST. The characters in this game were not properly built to deal with it.
No problem. I also repped you, to get you back into the green.
I think my analogy is solid. The Colts and the Patriots are still just that without their starting quarterbacks: the Colts and the Patriots. The same offense is there, more or less the same strengths and weaknesses, only without the services of their elite quarterbacks, which are absolutely instrumental to their success. I understand that there are a few flaws (football is a game of offense and defense, Brady and Manning are only one part of half a team, and there is a backup there who could potentially do better), but that same reasoning is there–these guys are too good, we don’t like it, and we’re going to attempt to cripple them.
And what you’re saying really is like banning Daigo or Nuki from a tournament. What if I’m a player who only mains Chun-Li? I can still enter your tournament, but I only have two options: play with my weakened character, or try and pick somebody else that I’m completely inexperienced with. Either way, I’m now at a very distinct disadvantage, and for what? Because the person who organized this tournament is curious to see what will happen? And PLEASE, don’t say “Well, I play XX character and I’m at a disadvantage”, because you choose to play a weaker character, instead of having your character nerfed by some arbitrary bullshit.
This thread is not about banning Yun and Chun’s supers in all major 3rd Strike tourneys. This is an alternate format of the game that I proposed we play online. Chun-Li and Yun players will be at a disadvantage in this format, but that was the entire point. Their characters have been PROVEN to be overpowered in regular tournament play. They will have to adapt in this new format and learn a character that’s actually been balanced to fight against the cast of 3rd Strike, learn to use their character’s strengths without abusing their overpowered supers…or just not play in the tourney.
I’m sure there are a couple of people who mained Akuma in Super Turbo, thought he was awesome, and then were heartbroken when they found out that they couldn’t Akuma in tourneys. “Oh no!” they say. “I must now play Ryu, and he’s just not the same!”
Does anyone care about Akuma mainers? No. Why? Because their character is overpowered, and they HAVE to be put at a disadvantage for the game to be fun and balanced. Once again, I have to put emphasis on that. That’s what the format is about. It’s not just to test some gay shit out in 3rd Strike to see what’s going to happen. It’s about taking an unbalanced game and making it balanced, and playing that way, because it will be fun.
haha I got negative rep for posting my opinion about the topic.
Akuma absolutely CAN NOT be compared to Yun and Chun. Are you kidding me? Have you ever LOOKED at a matchup chart for ST? Plenty of characters have a fighting chance against Yun and Chun in 3s, regardless of what you ban–NOBODY has a chance against ST Akuma. You are the one with the flawed analogies.
Have you ever heard of Dudley, Makoto, Yang or Urien? Yes, the matchups against Yun and Chun aren’t in these characters favor, but it’s very winnable.
Lol @ people seriously debating here.
The facts are Yun and Chun are retarded yet, at the same time so is banning them.
ok? [/thread]
I was that guy!
You’re right, Sagat doesn’t dominate Street Fighter 4. And yes, it would be easier to ban a super art in 3S because you just wouldn’t be able to choose it. The point was that it sounds silly to ban a move (you obviously thought banning Sagat’s ultra was silly, as do I; I don’t seriously believe that), like you’re acknowledging that it’s too good and it’s not fair for everyone else… but isn’t that what fighters are all about? Learning matchups, strategies and adapting on the fly? Banning a move sounds like old school SF2 house rules. HEY NO TICK THROWS!!
You can have your tourney, dunno how many participants you’ll have. Let us know the results, maybe Chun or Yun will take the top anyways!!
This.
Define “very winnable”. Look at EVO Finals results and tell me how many times those characters appear. ONE of them will appear ONCE per year in top 8, if even that much.
Many 3rd Strikers are misled to believe that Chun and Yun can be beaten because top players of the upper mid tier in Japan can beat them. The thing is, Japan runs on a one game system and we don’t. When grand finals are 4/7 or something suddenly having good matchups against the entire cast really shows. The balance of the one game system lies in the fact that it doesn’t provide for consistent winners.
You’re right that that is what fighting games are about, but once again, banning a super art is easier than banning a move. I would be just as happy to ban the entire characters, but there’s no point when we can just ban the supers. If you think about it, picking a different super in 3rd Strike completely makes the character… so you could think of this tourney as banning SA2 Chun and SA3 Yun.
We have to be careful in banning things because we can go overboard and just end up banning things that we don’t want to have to adapt to…but some things just can’t be adapted to. This game has been out for 10 years, no one has found out how to consistently beat good Yun/Chun players. Genei-Jin has no counters, it is one of the few supers in the history of street fighter that is guaranteed damage in its most literal sense. Hoyoku-sen hit confirmed off of crouching MK and b+HP is almost as good.
Either way, this was just an interest check. It’s clear that there is little/nointerest, no point in arguing about this anymore.
(… to be honest I’d be into playing a tournament like this only because I’m a fucking scrub at 3S. Dudley player that can barely parry 
dude why are you coming here to shit on his idea. First off it’s online 3s…(OMG THIS IS GONNA DESTROY THE 3S SCENE!!!)…
Second off this isn’t a bad topic i’ve seen players win with SA I Chun and SA II Yun.
Third who cares if you only want to complain about this topic just leave this section and stop trolling/flame baiting.
If he wants to run a online 3s tournament banning Chun and Yun’s best supers he can run it. If you can’t win the tournament without those supers/characters easy just ignore it.
Mariodood is a good player he knows what he is talking about.
So just chill out dude don’t be :lame:
Also sup mariodood:tup:
Sup fran thanks.
SRK always goes batshit crazy anytime some one brings up banning something. In a serious tourney, I agree with them that this shit wouldn’t fly. But this seems like a “just for fun” kinda thing so everyone calm the fuck down. It’s alright to say you don’t like the idea, but calling the OP an idiot? :lame: