“look haters… oh no!”
If this is the same Kayane that I’m thinking of, she got that good by playing in big tournies with other players, men and women alike. Kind of defeats the purpose of segregating the player pool, yes?
Also I haven’t spoken to any gamer girl acquaintances about this yet, but every non gamer female friend was offended by the idea. Came down to “why should we be separated from the men?” and I told them that a lot of them (I wasn’t aware of the main tourney req.) entered the main tourney as well. They still weren’t huge fans, claiming that there wasn’t a separate “men’s only” exhibition, so why are females segregated in that way?
Maybe it’s a different perspective for gamer girls, I’m not sure I’ll have to ask a few. But I guess I don’t really see this event achieving the results that some people expect. We shouldn’t be interested in bringing in new female players, we should be interested in bringing in new players, PERIOD.
Alternately, you could ignore everything I’m saying and claim that I’m a homosexual or something. We are on the internet, fire away.
I was thinking about the same thing.
Sadly, I think these kind kinds of female initiatives appeals more to the male crowd.
Yeah, so as usual many of the detractors don’t even understand the rules of the event.
All the women who played in the invitational also played in the main event. A lot of them even one some matches. Kayane came very close to making it out of her pool, placing her in the top 10% of all finishers. So no, there was no player segregation. I’m very happy with the way the event turned out. It took a lot of guts for those players to put themselves up for potential criticism like that, but everyone who was actually AT EVO was super hype for the matches and cheering the players on.
I did feel like awarding a gold stick was a bit too much
some members of the community have practiced waaaaay harder and couldnt get it cause the tournament had a really high level, and the winner of the tournament got it really easy
other than that, it was fun to watch
On the commentary point I can agree, but as far as whether it could be an opportunity to showcase talented females, thats like saying “I could have made top 8” in that its a pretty hollow point. That’s up to those female players, and we all know for sure, it takes a hell of a lot less work to win the female invitational than the main tournament.
I can’t argue with someones perception. If you thought the net effect was positive, then thats good, but it baffles me that someone can think the net effect was bad, and yet still think it was a good idea (with little noticeable flaws on behalf of Evo staff implementation wise).
From the perspective of seeing it as something negative but having something positive come out of it~ my girl saw the invitational and even she was shocked by how poor a lot of their play was. She’s not that much better than them, to be honest, Kayane would most likely beat her, yet it showed her that she wasn’t all that bad. For the most part, some girls have this perception that there skills are not going to become comparable even with practice. My girl sees me playing with my friends and sees us doing ridiculous combos and rarely tries when the group is around.
She’ll play with me, occasionally~ and that is the extent of it. Yet she’s decent, has good footsies and fundamentals, but in her mind she knows I’m holding back and it’s not enough to beat me at full strength. So it can be a daunting challenge to want to continue. Yet when she saw the stream, she noticed that amongst her peers, she is good, she can improve and she is comparable to a lot of the girls we saw play there. I keep telling her, that to be honest, it’s not a gender thing when it comes to skill. A lot of people playing at pools at Evo can play just as poorly, being male or female. Hell I am not that good at all, I can’t even make it to semis, yet I still play, I stay motivated because I know I can be good amongst my peers.
Being good amongst your peers, your friends, your local ranbats~ is important. It’s what motivates you, and if girls can see and realize they even amongst the best of these girls at Evo that they DO stand a chance, and have a vehicle to be more, that there is a stage for them, they can rise to that challenge. Guess what happens when they do that? When they realize they do have a place? Guess what tends to happen to ANY minority in ANY grand situation where they once didn’t really have a place? They tend to want more. They tend to rise to new challenges. They take on the world.
Women have shown they are capable of this in many stages of our culture~ I feel Evo can be one of them. They have the capacity to ignite when put into a situation that challenges them to not only be equal, but to surpass. I feel even with how badly the effect of the poor play and patronizing attitude that no matter what some may say, we KNOW was going through the minds of the crowd even AT Evo (sorry Inkblot, be real…), something good can still come out of this. I feel the call has been made, and now there may be those out there that know they can do better and want a chance to prove it.
Perhaps we won’t need something like an invitational at all in a few years~ but that’s up to them, now isn’t it? <3
I’m not sure what you think that thing means.
Creating a separate division wasn’t as big of a deal because the women had the option to compete with the men.
The patronizing commentary like “OMG did she just do advanced basic move xyz” was off putting.
That said a womens division was need for two reasons.
First it was needed to highlight women who just regularly play the game which raises awareness and acceptance among other women. It also addresses the issue that while their exist women who play the game consistently the talent pool is still vastly smaller than mens and thus creates a decent probability you won’t see a woman (let alone an even representation of sexes) in the top 16 of evo.
The second reason a women’s division was needed is due to the fact that for the time being most women in general don’t play fighting games so the experience pool is low. It’s no different than the vast difference in skill of Korean Broodwar players who play the game professionally vs foreigners who have been behind the curve. It takes time, effort and most importantly a supportive culture to get the talent pool up.
Overall the womens league was a good idea and I hope it builds up from that until we get to the point we don’t need a women’s league anymore.
My girlfriend will also play me from time to time, exactly as you described, and while I would agree with the sentiment of this thread that it was painful to watch and silly to have a girls tournament in a game where the gender has no bearing on skill, she loved it. She’s already talking like she wants to go to evo next year and how much she wants to train, so, perhaps from a different perspective, the tournament was not a failure.
I really didn’t like the commentary. They were too easy on the competitors when they would make really dumb mistakes and got way too excited over very basic things.
They were all horrible, like absolutely horrible. I wanted to get up and leave after seeing a mindless game of “jab jab jab”/“jab jab throw” only to be even more baffled by a random standing strong punished by a fully charged ultra with a few seconds left in the match. It’s like they weren’t even thinking at all and just wanted to get the games over with.
SRK and gaming communities as a whole need to stop glorifying women and treating them like these mythical creatures. No reason to subject 10,000 people to embarrassingly bad street fighter just because the players have vaginas.
Well as new person
To all of this competitive fighting in general so I don’t know about many of the female players, I was glad to hear that you could do both the events since I’d be one to do the main one anyways. I found it inspiring to see women competing because I don’t get to see a lot of that where I am from (North Carolina). I was especially inspired by BurnYourBra…because like her I too am black but I never see any black women compete in gaming, especially in this genre. It made me feel like I can compete in tournaments too, which I will be in August.
Wait, was this the same Kayane that was a top soul calibur 2 player in france?
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If so, glad she won.
It’s the same Kayane. I was one of the judges for her pool, she made it quite far though I don’t exactly remember how close she came to getting out. She did progress quite deeply though.
She was eliminated by Dr.B (I think) a Dictator player and the match went to the last match last round.
i thought it was an overall success.
They played a little more like the casual gamer (like myself) vs the main tournament, who spend more time playing the game than I spend sleeping.
Between school and work, i cant train up to daigo status.
So its nice to see a slightly more scrubby play. Somewhat refreshing.
Daigo works too. As a nurse. Probably doesn’t have as much time as you think. I believe he also has a family. (?)
its a shame the golden madcatz stick were given away for this joke of tournament.
announcers getting all hyped and shit for some basic b&b:rolleyes:
i guess this is a good publicity stunt but like most people said, is this the best they got?
The women’s invitational was a mix of female players who are good players that do practice and are trying to get better and female players who are casuals. I would love to see more non-evo women’s tournaments around to find quality female players, and then see another women’s tournament in 2011. The organizers did their part of putting a tourney, prizes, and time together on putting something for women in evo, now the players need to step up and do their best to play. In a tourney, people expect to see better than average play. If alot of women are lingering on average casual online play, then I think the women’s league will get dropped.
hopefully, this year sparked some fires in women to play in tourneys and look forward to next year’s evo.
The only positive effect this tournament had was on women watching who said “Man these girls suck, I should go to EVO next year and just destroy and make some money!”, which means more diversity at the next EVO.
For what was an “invitational” tournament, the level of play was pathetic.