Improvements or changes you would like to see in SFV

Vampire_Saviour · December 9, 2014, 1:42pm

IglooBob:

wow there is so much bad info in this thread!

3s does not promote random play. it promotes random play if you and your friends are awful at the game and don’t understand how it works. most parries do not come off “knowing what the guy would do because he’s predictable.” 3s isn’t a game where you do the most random thing. parry primarily exists as part of the footsie game. it’s another layer basically. in that sense it’s the same “random” as any other game. when you play footsies in SF4, do you walk into max distance low forward range and then low forward every time? do you walk to a certain space and then fireball every time? no, because it would get you punished if they could predict it right? 3s works the exact same way.

parry is not that strong the better you get at the game. in japan most people do not parry. it’s too risky. the better you get at the game the easier it is to punish guess parry and the less people will do it.

you guys are massively overestimating jump in parry. it’s not that good! there are so many anti air options. yeah it’s not cut and dry like SF2 where “you jump and I anti air.” it’s a little more complicated than that. but this idea you guys have in your head of “I hold up+ forward cuz I can just parry his anti airs” is not reality.

adding parry whiff animations or requiring meter for parry or making parry cost gray health, these are all solutions in search of a problem. parry is punishable in 3s, there’s just no obvious whiff animation. but you can see every parry attempt in how they move. you can make predictions on parry as part of footsies and punish the attempts.

I guess the short version of this post is you guys should understand how this game works before criticizing it and offering solutions to problems. I’m sure while you’re typing it, it all sounds sensible to you. but you are offering balance and game mechanics changes so you can solve problems that people who play the game well do not have. it’s like playing SF4 for 2 months and saying “I’m now qualified to offer mechanics changes.” of course you’re not, you’re horrible at the game! why should anyone listen to you?

I agree SF5 does not need parry. it’s because a game with parries in it already exists, that game is fun, and so now it would be cool for Capcom to do something different. people who love parry can keep playing 3s.

Here’s the way I understand parry.

Parry is far more like adding sidestep to street fighter than it is promoting ‘randomness’ - making players change offense sporadically. No, it simply is a part of poking, predicting your opponent included.

marcus32X · December 9, 2014, 3:51pm

Something similar to the "FINEST KO! " In CVS2 would be cool.

TheFreshPrince · December 9, 2014, 9:24pm

Half agree. I think there should be quickstand and backroll, so it is less annoying than SFxT roll. Quickstand so that the opponent has to guess between the inevitable setups at least sometimes; backroll should function similarly to SFxT roll, but instead obviously push you further into the corner AND cost a bar of meter or like 25-50% of your guard crush gauge. Pretty much how DWU should’ve been implemented.

Aquashark · December 9, 2014, 9:30pm

TheFreshPrince: agreed all the way

i’d personally like air blocking too

LockM · December 9, 2014, 10:05pm

Air blocking…i recon SFV is still very much a grounded fighting game, don’t see the use of that at all, makes it unnecessarily defensive.

Cestus · December 9, 2014, 10:06pm

Gameplay
-less fear to add new moves
-more command normals
-faster walk speed
-little bit less charge needed for charge characters
-future balancements more about make weak characters good instead throw nerfs everywhere
-If completed taunt kill some ex/ultra meter of the opponent, but make it risky enough to don’t turn matches into douchebag taunt fest
-i like the idea of an alt stance (SFV short vid seem suggest that), and maybe a mechanic (pay ex bar?) to switch from the two in mid combo
-counter throws mechanic evolved, added to the current one will like one where you pay one ex bar (or free but very hard?) you defend the attempt and slam the dude on his ass, basically an actual “counter throw”

Modes
Arcade
-very frivolous i know, but make me face every character in his personal stage, it was part of SF2 charisma
-don’t waste money on cheap anime/CG endings, cutscene with game engine will be cheaper and cooler too

Training
-ability to activate visible hit/hurtbox in training mode
-trial mode that is still a challenge but at the same time push to learn mechanics, basically not just standard combo execution but simulation of effective gameplay situations
-ability to write a combo and see the cpu do it, showing the imput timing. It will be also a safe quick way to see if this or that combo is character specific or situation/position specific
-ability to write a combo and see the cpu as the opponent do it, basically like current record-play but faster/perfect execution
-stage/music selection please. Gray metric room is useful and all, but is not ever needed

Art/visual/Bullshit
-For character portraits please stay away from Artgerm, nothing against the guy (he’s skilled) but honestly donowan’t see his stuff in a SF ever again
-Better stages please, more old school World Tour feeling
-Do actual good alt costume, please never again give them to Udon
-Give me color edit wich is awesome BUT give me the option online to see my opponent in default color
-Tekken style character customization BUT again give me the option online to see my opponent in default color/look

Cestus · December 9, 2014, 10:08pm

Oh for Art/visual/Bullshit
Give me back national flags under pre fight character portraits, even Vanilla had it
Dat world tournament vibe

Alexisdabomb · December 9, 2014, 10:20pm

Honestly I’d be okay with whiffable Parries (ala Last Blade) because I doubt 3S Parries will ever be brought back as they were.

No 1-frame links.
No retarded Option Selects for everything.
No backdash invincibility.
No crouch-teching throws.
No more retarded characters (Fuerte, Hakan, Rufus).
No comeback mechanics.
No mashable reversal system.
No Gems.
No on-disc DLC.
No Pay2Win fuckery.

Cross Tekken Links I’m okay with.
Want GGPO/Rollbacknetcode.
Want online training mode.
Keep LP+LK for throws.
I want half the cast to be made up of new characters.
I want as few SF2 characters to come back as possible.
Let’s have some 3S characters like Alex and Urien come back.

That’s it.

Yusuke_The_Detective · December 10, 2014, 1:41am

Actually have Cammy have an ass this time.
Give Makoto her delicious cleavage on the character select screen
Give Chun Li a costume where shes wearing Daisy Dukes

ADD MAKI GENRYUSAI

OUTforJUSTICE · December 10, 2014, 1:53am

Was gonna comment to post my opinion here, but it seems you just did it for me.
Pretty much everything this person said. SO HARD.

Pro_Marshmallo · December 10, 2014, 4:48am

Unless SF5 is secretly the Capcom half of MvC4 that would be a terrible idea.

hecatombz · December 10, 2014, 6:38am

ya geif and blanka with a air block, just image that. Or better yet some really fast characters with a air block like Vega.

IglooBob · December 10, 2014, 6:49am

it’s like fighting games started in 2009

can anyone possibly imagine air block in street fighter?? that would be craaaaaazzzyyy

GenUser · December 10, 2014, 7:07am

Is it even possible to get rid of option selects?

GenUser · December 10, 2014, 7:08am

The alpha games had air blocking it worked fine, not a fan, but not a deal breaker either

d3v · December 10, 2014, 7:28am

Air blocking in Alpha only worked against airborne attacks.

The-Olympian · December 10, 2014, 11:43am

Even the new ggxrd have option selects. I don’t understand what game do you want to play if every link is easy or a chain??

U know characters like vega have 1flink jabs for a reason.

Ibuki kick loops are 1flink for a reason. Same for chun legs loops.

Imagine if all are 2 flink or easier.

Do you want a combo system like kof???

Pro_Marshmallo · December 10, 2014, 12:05pm

Can you imagine how shitty having a DP blocked after a jump in from half screen and getting punished for properly anti-airing would be in SF4? It works in MvC and other team games but of how crazily offensive they’re designed to be but SF5 is shaping up to be fairly footsie dependent like SF4 it’d be dumb as all hell. As d3v said, Alpha air blocks were only air-to-air which would be fine but I think unnecessary but I’d rather have to deal with parry and air-parry than air-blocking since you can punish off of a air block after landing but not punish blocked jump ins in SF4 thanks to how block stun works.

Jaldaboath · December 10, 2014, 12:05pm

Just Defend, like in CvS2. Rewards with reduced pushback and reduced chip damage.
OTGs (or at least a grounded enemy strike ala Darkstalkers).
Several simple mechanics instead of a bloated one (I’m looking at you “focus”).
Multiple choices to spend meter.
Give every char a way to modify trajectory midair.
More consistant juggle counts.
Give Guile a useful version of the sonic hurricane.
Shippu Jinrai Kyakku.

Killer_Jigglypuff · December 10, 2014, 12:24pm

Hopefully if air grabs are still a thing in SFV they aren’t quite as godly as they are in SFIV. Getting snatched when my foot is crashing into your nose is a bit annoying.